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I am amused that MS has its own Linux flavor, but I won't make a joke about it. I won't mention previous attempts at embrace, extend and extinguish. I want to

I am amused that MS has its own Linux flavor, but I won't make a joke about it. I won't mention previous attempts at embrace, extend and extinguish. I want to focus on the IoT part. Do not get me wrong. I am glad MS tries to show they care about security in IoT space. Heavens know I don't want to see Starbucks microwave botnet in 2021.

Endlessly 7y ago
I would argue Linux by design is supposed to be embraced, extend, extinguished — key is balancing how much how it is private & public. For anyone not aware of the “EEE” reference, here’s the wiki page for it: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extingu...
erikbye 7y ago
> I won't mention previous attempts at embrace, extend and extinguish. Except you did, and it's really trite.
- fattire 7y ago
  Is it trite to mention the Halloween documents? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halloween_documents https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halloween_documents
fortran77 7y ago
So I guess you don't believe in truly open source and free software. Where everyone, regardless of motive or position, has equal access to it.
- linuxftw 7y ago
  Everyone has equal access, but that doesn't imply we ever have to trust anyone that uses or creates free software. You're free to make it, we're free to never use it and not trust you, and if there's anything of value, we'll ensure it gets into the hands of people we trust, and not you. (The use of 'you' here is in the imaginary 3rd person, not you specifically).
- A4ET8a8uTh0 7y ago
  I did not argue that. I like their current efforts. But as with most things, best predictor of what people do is checking what they have done in the past. In this case, they have attempted to capture an emerging competing OS and effectively destroy it. I would be silly for me to simply forget the past. They have access. I am not arguing against it. I have memory of what they have done. Should I just forget it?
rstuart4133 7y ago
It might well be embrace, extend, extinguish. But if so, in this instance it isn't Microsoft's doing it. The embrace started long ago, with things like Samba, a free implementation of vfat, Wine and Active Directory. Extend also started long ago, with things like, getting gcc to run on it, cygwin, the LAMP stack, Firefox - lots of things that let Windows do things only Linux boxes could do, and for free. Then came extinguish. WinCE followed by WinPhone, and now 1/2 of Azure runs Linux boxes which I guess pretty much signals the fate of Windows on the server arena. Whereas two decades ago most computers an end user interacted with run Windows now they don't.

Endlessly 7y ago

I would argue Linux by design is supposed to be embraced, extend, extinguished — key is balancing how much how it is private & public. For anyone not aware of the “EEE” reference, here’s the wiki page for it: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extingu...

erikbye 7y ago

> I won't mention previous attempts at embrace, extend and extinguish. Except you did, and it's really trite.

fattire 7y ago
Is it trite to mention the Halloween documents? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halloween_documents https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halloween_documents

fortran77 7y ago

So I guess you don't believe in truly open source and free software. Where everyone, regardless of motive or position, has equal access to it.

linuxftw 7y ago
Everyone has equal access, but that doesn't imply we ever have to trust anyone that uses or creates free software. You're free to make it, we're free to never use it and not trust you, and if there's anything of value, we'll ensure it gets into the hands of people we trust, and not you. (The use of 'you' here is in the imaginary 3rd person, not you specifically).
A4ET8a8uTh0 7y ago
I did not argue that. I like their current efforts. But as with most things, best predictor of what people do is checking what they have done in the past. In this case, they have attempted to capture an emerging competing OS and effectively destroy it. I would be silly for me to simply forget the past. They have access. I am not arguing against it. I have memory of what they have done. Should I just forget it?

rstuart4133 7y ago

It might well be embrace, extend, extinguish. But if so, in this instance it isn't Microsoft's doing it. The embrace started long ago, with things like Samba, a free implementation of vfat, Wine and Active Directory. Extend also started long ago, with things like, getting gcc to run on it, cygwin, the LAMP stack, Firefox - lots of things that let Windows do things only Linux boxes could do, and for free. Then came extinguish. WinCE followed by WinPhone, and now 1/2 of Azure runs Linux boxes which I guess pretty much signals the fate of Windows on the server arena. Whereas two decades ago most computers an end user interacted with run Windows now they don't.