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> If you search on Google Maps for the Wuhan Centers for Disease Prevention and Control, you instead find a building about 1.5 km from the seafood market. Ther

> If you search on Google Maps for the Wuhan Centers for Disease Prevention and Control, you instead find a building about 1.5 km from the seafood market. There is not just one building, this is the one mentioned: https://map.baidu.com/poi/%E6%AD%A6%E6%B1%89%E5%B8%82%E7%96%BE%E7%97%85%E9%A2%84%E9%98%B2%E6%8E%A7%E5%88%B6%E4%B8%AD%E5%BF%83/@12720508.588819638,3561711.948140599,17.39z?uid=5325f5ab08c15717fea7781e&info_merge=1&isBizPoi=false&ugc_type=3&ugc_ver=1&device_ratio=2&compat=1&querytype=detailConInfo&da_src=shareurl https://map.baidu.com/poi/%E6%AD%A6%E6%B1%89%E5%B8%82%E7%96%... Remember that Google is effectively not operating in China anymore, so their information is bound to be outdated and incomplete. > But further, when I look at the web page of the WHCDC, it looks like they're mainly a community health institution, not a research institute. The people studying coronaviruses are 15 km away, in the Wuhan Institute of Virology. Scientists at the Wuhan CDC are studying live bats and bat coronaviruses: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovnUyTRMERI&feature=youtu.be&t=86 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovnUyTRMERI&feature=youtu.be...

DanBC 6y ago
Here's where the PDF map says is the WHCDC offices. This is incorrect, isn't it? Both of the offices are not "across the street", but at least 3km away. https://www.google.com/maps/place/Wuhan+Jiang'an+Center+for+Disease+Control+and+Prevention/@30.6138159,114.2622513,18.31z/data=!4m22!1m16!4m15!1m6!1m2!1s0x0:0x9cbacadc65f81283!2sWuhan+Centres+for+Disease+Prevention+%26+Control!2m2!1d114.279647!2d30.589446!1m6!1m2!1s0x342eaf3d33cf73cf:0xb2b47b7a3c24d063!2sWuhan+Jiang'an+Center+for+Disease+Control+and+Prevention,+3+Yuefei+St,+Jiang'an+District,+Wuhan,+Hubei,+China!2m2!1d114.2989324!2d30.5897544!3e3!3m4!1s0x342eaf3d33cf73cf:0xb2b47b7a3c24d063!8m2!3d30.5897544!4d114.2989324 https://www.google.com/maps/place/Wuhan+Jiang'an+Center+for+... > Scientists at the Wuhan CDC are studying live bats and bat coronaviruses: Yes, but not in the two buildings you're linking to.
- gridlockd 6y ago
  > Here's where the PDF map says is the WHCDC offices. This is incorrect, isn't it? Both of the offices are not "across the street", but at least 3km away. It isn't incorrect. The Baidu Maps link[1] shows the WHCDC office also shown at the location in the PDF map, next to the hospital - a few hundred meters from the seafood market[2]. [1] https://map.baidu.com/poi/%E6%AD%A6%E6%B1%89%E5%B8%82%E7%96%BE%E7%97%85%E9%A2%84%E9%98%B2%E6%8E%A7%E5%88%B6%E4%B8%AD%E5%BF%83/@12720604.527622359,3561494.26043086,19z?uid=5325f5ab08c15717fea7781e&info_merge=1&isBizPoi=false&ugc_type=3&ugc_ver=1&device_ratio=2&compat=1&querytype=detailConInfo&da_src=shareurl https://map.baidu.com/poi/%E6%AD%A6%E6%B1%89%E5%B8%82%E7%96%... [2] https://map.baidu.com/search/%E6%AD%A6%E6%B1%89%E5%8D%8E%E5%8D%97%E6%B5%B7%E9%B2%9C%E6%89%B9%E5%8F%91%E5%B8%82%E5%9C%BA/@12720396.781512702,3561980.285,19z?querytype=s&da_src=shareurl&wd=%E6%AD%A6%E6%B1%89%E5%8D%8E%E5%8D%97%E6%B5%B7%E9%B2%9C%E6%89%B9%E5%8F%91%E5%B8%82%E5%9C%BA&c=218&src=0&pn=0&sug=0&l=19&b=(12720126.470485236,3561759.4997610836;12720820.223470047,3562108.544231567)&from=webmap&biz_forward=%7B%22scaler%22:2,%22styles%22:%22pl%22%7D&device_ratio=2 https://map.baidu.com/search/%E6%AD%A6%E6%B1%89%E5%8D%8E%E5%... > Yes, but not in the two buildings you're linking to. I have no source that either proves or contradicts that - do you?
DiogenesKynikos 6y ago
> Remember that Google is effectively not operating in China anymore, so their information is bound to be outdated and incomplete. Yes, but the PDF that the GP comment scrounged up online used Google Maps. If you look at Baidu or Bing Maps, you see that the Wuhan CDC has many local offices. It appears to mainly be a community health organization that deals with things like vaccinations and awareness. What you're pointing to is not the central offices of the Wuhan CDC. > are studying live bats No, they're not. All the papers I've seen only discuss samples collected from bats in the countryside, and standard practice is to deactivate any virus in the samples before working with them. Where the research described in the video you show is unclear to me, but it's not taking place in some little satellite community health center across the street from the seafood market. It's really alarming how much of this Internet scavenger-hunting is being passed off as legitimate evidence, by people like "Project Evidence" (or whoever is behind it). People desperately want answers about the virus, and there are political actors taking advantage of that.
- gridlockd 6y ago
  > Yes, but the PDF that the GP comment scrounged up online used Google Maps. If you look at Baidu or Bing Maps, you see that the Wuhan CDC has many local offices. It appears to mainly be a community health organization that deals with things like vaccinations and awareness. What you're pointing to is not the central offices of the Wuhan CDC. You said they got the location wrong. They didn't, you just failed to find the office at that location. You don't actually know what the WHCDC does, or where it does its work, but you think you know better than the authors of the paper, who have worked in Wuhan. > No, they're not. Yes, they are. Did you even read the paper? They're reporting that hundreds of live bats were hosted at the WHCDC. I haven't seen anyone come out and disprove these claims, so they're most likely not just made up. > All the papers I've seen only discuss samples collected from bats in the countryside, and standard practice is to deactivate any virus in the samples before working with them. "I didn't see it, therefore it does not exist" - your way of reasoning. > It's really alarming how much of this Internet scavenger-hunting is being passed off as legitimate evidence... That paper was authored by researchers familiar with the matter, it's not "internet scavenger hunting". I'm not saying it's "legitimate evidence" either, but your "debunking" is a joke.

DanBC 6y ago

Here's where the PDF map says is the WHCDC offices. This is incorrect, isn't it? Both of the offices are not "across the street", but at least 3km away. https://www.google.com/maps/place/Wuhan+Jiang'an+Center+for+Disease+Control+and+Prevention/@30.6138159,114.2622513,18.31z/data=!4m22!1m16!4m15!1m6!1m2!1s0x0:0x9cbacadc65f81283!2sWuhan+Centres+for+Disease+Prevention+%26+Control!2m2!1d114.279647!2d30.589446!1m6!1m2!1s0x342eaf3d33cf73cf:0xb2b47b7a3c24d063!2sWuhan+Jiang'an+Center+for+Disease+Control+and+Prevention,+3+Yuefei+St,+Jiang'an+District,+Wuhan,+Hubei,+China!2m2!1d114.2989324!2d30.5897544!3e3!3m4!1s0x342eaf3d33cf73cf:0xb2b47b7a3c24d063!8m2!3d30.5897544!4d114.2989324 https://www.google.com/maps/place/Wuhan+Jiang'an+Center+for+... > Scientists at the Wuhan CDC are studying live bats and bat coronaviruses: Yes, but not in the two buildings you're linking to.

gridlockd 6y ago
> Here's where the PDF map says is the WHCDC offices. This is incorrect, isn't it? Both of the offices are not "across the street", but at least 3km away. It isn't incorrect. The Baidu Maps link[1] shows the WHCDC office also shown at the location in the PDF map, next to the hospital - a few hundred meters from the seafood market[2]. [1] https://map.baidu.com/poi/%E6%AD%A6%E6%B1%89%E5%B8%82%E7%96%BE%E7%97%85%E9%A2%84%E9%98%B2%E6%8E%A7%E5%88%B6%E4%B8%AD%E5%BF%83/@12720604.527622359,3561494.26043086,19z?uid=5325f5ab08c15717fea7781e&info_merge=1&isBizPoi=false&ugc_type=3&ugc_ver=1&device_ratio=2&compat=1&querytype=detailConInfo&da_src=shareurl https://map.baidu.com/poi/%E6%AD%A6%E6%B1%89%E5%B8%82%E7%96%... [2] https://map.baidu.com/search/%E6%AD%A6%E6%B1%89%E5%8D%8E%E5%8D%97%E6%B5%B7%E9%B2%9C%E6%89%B9%E5%8F%91%E5%B8%82%E5%9C%BA/@12720396.781512702,3561980.285,19z?querytype=s&da_src=shareurl&wd=%E6%AD%A6%E6%B1%89%E5%8D%8E%E5%8D%97%E6%B5%B7%E9%B2%9C%E6%89%B9%E5%8F%91%E5%B8%82%E5%9C%BA&c=218&src=0&pn=0&sug=0&l=19&b=(12720126.470485236,3561759.4997610836;12720820.223470047,3562108.544231567)&from=webmap&biz_forward=%7B%22scaler%22:2,%22styles%22:%22pl%22%7D&device_ratio=2 https://map.baidu.com/search/%E6%AD%A6%E6%B1%89%E5%8D%8E%E5%... > Yes, but not in the two buildings you're linking to. I have no source that either proves or contradicts that - do you?

DiogenesKynikos 6y ago

> Remember that Google is effectively not operating in China anymore, so their information is bound to be outdated and incomplete. Yes, but the PDF that the GP comment scrounged up online used Google Maps. If you look at Baidu or Bing Maps, you see that the Wuhan CDC has many local offices. It appears to mainly be a community health organization that deals with things like vaccinations and awareness. What you're pointing to is not the central offices of the Wuhan CDC. > are studying live bats No, they're not. All the papers I've seen only discuss samples collected from bats in the countryside, and standard practice is to deactivate any virus in the samples before working with them. Where the research described in the video you show is unclear to me, but it's not taking place in some little satellite community health center across the street from the seafood market. It's really alarming how much of this Internet scavenger-hunting is being passed off as legitimate evidence, by people like "Project Evidence" (or whoever is behind it). People desperately want answers about the virus, and there are political actors taking advantage of that.

gridlockd 6y ago
> Yes, but the PDF that the GP comment scrounged up online used Google Maps. If you look at Baidu or Bing Maps, you see that the Wuhan CDC has many local offices. It appears to mainly be a community health organization that deals with things like vaccinations and awareness. What you're pointing to is not the central offices of the Wuhan CDC. You said they got the location wrong. They didn't, you just failed to find the office at that location. You don't actually know what the WHCDC does, or where it does its work, but you think you know better than the authors of the paper, who have worked in Wuhan. > No, they're not. Yes, they are. Did you even read the paper? They're reporting that hundreds of live bats were hosted at the WHCDC. I haven't seen anyone come out and disprove these claims, so they're most likely not just made up. > All the papers I've seen only discuss samples collected from bats in the countryside, and standard practice is to deactivate any virus in the samples before working with them. "I didn't see it, therefore it does not exist" - your way of reasoning. > It's really alarming how much of this Internet scavenger-hunting is being passed off as legitimate evidence... That paper was authored by researchers familiar with the matter, it's not "internet scavenger hunting". I'm not saying it's "legitimate evidence" either, but your "debunking" is a joke.