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This is really just a variant of the "and yet you participate in society, hmmm" argument. At some point users are allowed to complain about shady behaviour don

This is really just a variant of the "and yet you participate in society, hmmm" argument. At some point users are allowed to complain about shady behaviour done by huge corporations with resources they use to try to thrust their way into everyones lives.

edmundsauto 6y ago
And at some point, companies are allowed to make their own decisions about how they want to instrument and monetize their products. This general complaint about not liking a component of someone else's software doesn't resonate with me at all. Not that you're wrong, but we just have different values. I sometimes will load a website that uses React when really it's just a static content site. It just gets tiring, and doesn't add to the conversation, when every discussion about an article that could be HTML devolves into that. I get that other people feel that way, and in many ways I share their values... But it becomes its own sideshow and hijacks the otherwise interesting conversations, without adding anything new.
- ta17711771 6y ago
  Does React report your personal data to Facebook?
- rendall 6y ago
  << I get that other people feel that way, and in many ways I share their values... But it becomes its own sideshow and hijacks the otherwise interesting conversations, without adding anything new. >> With sincere respect, I don't understand this argument, in general, whenever it comes up. Whenever I find a discussion unhelpful or tedious, I move on or mute it. Often, I've been in an interesting online discussion, and someone pipes up with the wish for everyone to stop talking about this topic because it's not interesting, when they have the tools available to not follow the discussion. Can you explain? Honest question.
  - pferde 6y ago
    At the risk of getting downvotes for being snarky, it essentially boils down to the "Stop it, you're having fun wrong!" nerd stereotype.
- rypskar 6y ago
  >> And at some point, companies are allowed to make their own decisions about how they want to instrument and monetize their products. No, they are only allowed to monetize according to laws and regulations. There is nothing magic about software making it right to disregard laws or not having respect for customers. It feels like some think software should be where to world was at the start of the industrial revolution, where companies could do what they wanted and there was no laws stopping them from dumping acid in the river. Edit: fixed spelling
- admax88q 6y ago
  Obviously companies can choose how they want monetize, that doesn't mean you are obligated to defend then when what they're doing is scummy it immoral. Why deflect criticism.by saying "well you don't have to use their app now do you?" When a person does something immoral rarely do people defend them by saying "well you don't have to engage with them now do you? Why not debate the morality or legitimacy of the act in question rather than deflect try to deflect the criticisms?

edmundsauto 6y ago

And at some point, companies are allowed to make their own decisions about how they want to instrument and monetize their products. This general complaint about not liking a component of someone else's software doesn't resonate with me at all. Not that you're wrong, but we just have different values. I sometimes will load a website that uses React when really it's just a static content site. It just gets tiring, and doesn't add to the conversation, when every discussion about an article that could be HTML devolves into that. I get that other people feel that way, and in many ways I share their values... But it becomes its own sideshow and hijacks the otherwise interesting conversations, without adding anything new.

ta17711771 6y ago
Does React report your personal data to Facebook?
rendall 6y ago
<< I get that other people feel that way, and in many ways I share their values... But it becomes its own sideshow and hijacks the otherwise interesting conversations, without adding anything new. >> With sincere respect, I don't understand this argument, in general, whenever it comes up. Whenever I find a discussion unhelpful or tedious, I move on or mute it. Often, I've been in an interesting online discussion, and someone pipes up with the wish for everyone to stop talking about this topic because it's not interesting, when they have the tools available to not follow the discussion. Can you explain? Honest question.
- pferde 6y ago
  At the risk of getting downvotes for being snarky, it essentially boils down to the "Stop it, you're having fun wrong!" nerd stereotype.
rypskar 6y ago
>> And at some point, companies are allowed to make their own decisions about how they want to instrument and monetize their products. No, they are only allowed to monetize according to laws and regulations. There is nothing magic about software making it right to disregard laws or not having respect for customers. It feels like some think software should be where to world was at the start of the industrial revolution, where companies could do what they wanted and there was no laws stopping them from dumping acid in the river. Edit: fixed spelling
admax88q 6y ago
Obviously companies can choose how they want monetize, that doesn't mean you are obligated to defend then when what they're doing is scummy it immoral. Why deflect criticism.by saying "well you don't have to use their app now do you?" When a person does something immoral rarely do people defend them by saying "well you don't have to engage with them now do you? Why not debate the morality or legitimacy of the act in question rather than deflect try to deflect the criticisms?