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I wish more people took your attitude. That last paragraph nailed it for me. As a tech recruiter I get treated with such disregard by experienced candidates as
by Peroni 16y ago
I wish more people took your attitude. That last paragraph nailed it for me. As a tech recruiter I get treated with such disregard by experienced candidates as it's assumed we are a purely and simply a middle-man.
Keep in mind that something around the lower number of the range is what the offer will come in at
Not strictly true. Every employer wants to pay as little as possible obviously to keep costs down but if the salary range is, for example: £100k to £120k and it's clearly communicated to the employer that your minimum expectation for the role is going to be £120k then there is no reason why you would ever end up being offered much less. The key, as you mentioned is to be clear with the recruiter from the beginning. Recruiters have no reason to lie about the salary. Bottom line is, the more you get paid, the more we get paid. It's in my best interests to get you the highest possible salary on offer and I won't waste your time, my clients time or my own time putting you forward if you tell me your minimum is £120k and the client told me their absolute top end is around £110k.
- ericb 16y agoAh, this was just a miscommunication. What I meant is that if I, as a candidate, say "110-120" when communicating my expectations the offer will probably be closer to 110 min I listed than 120. I didn't mean to imply employers always come in at the bottom of their listed range in a job listing.
- Peroni 16y agoFair point. There is a lot of truth to that I'll admit.
- dpritchett 16y agoThanks for posting that. Here's a great overview of negotiations and the "anchoring" strategy you describe: http://www.ribbonfarm.com/2008/03/16/bargaining-with-your-right-brain/ http://www.ribbonfarm.com/2008/03/16/bargaining-with-your-ri...
- Timothee 16y agoAs a tech recruiter I get treated with such disregard by experienced candidates as it's assumed we are a purely and simply a middle-man. It's discussed on HN now and then, but the reason for that is that most recruiters are terrible at their job and are really acting as middle-men. Meaning that they do the minimum (often less than that actually) to present a resume and get their commission, with no consideration for the job or the candidate. Granted maybe it's just me and my resume might not be sexy enough… I don't know. But in any case, the recruiters I have talked to always sounded like your typical sales guy.
- orev 16y agoYes, I've had recruiters who submitted me for jobs based solely on a keyword match on my resume -- for something that was clearly not my main skillset. They would have seen that if they even bothered to look at my resume, at all. Now I use that keyword to see if they really are paying attention.
- gaius 16y agoEvery employer wants to pay as little as possible obviously to keep costs down Well, partially. They also want to raise a barrier to entry to competitors and one way to do that is to make it hard to match salaries.
- dpritchett 16y agoIt's in my best interests to get you the highest possible salary on offer It's in your best interest to maximize your aggregate commissions across all of your contracts, not to maximize the value of any one filled position. If you can close a deal at $X today or you can work an extra 40 hours in hopes of getting $1.1X, the safe bet is to close the deal and start working on the next contract. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17jO_w6f8Ck http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17jO_w6f8Ck