"Talent" is not always a there-or-not quality. IMHO it depends what we're talking about, and to what degree. Math genius, NBA player, obviously yeah you need so

"Talent" is not always a there-or-not quality. IMHO it depends what we're talking about, and to what degree. Math genius, NBA player, obviously yeah you need some degree of inborn talent plus a crazy intense environment (for the NBA) in your youner years. But there's a huge range below "world elite" where "talent" is relevant, and it's not at all clear when it's a "you-have-it-or-you-don't" kind of thing. Same with hard work. Two people work hard; one person has a more efficient system, or a better teacher. It's not zeros and ones here imho.