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Hey there, Alex here. I completely understand where you are coming from. I'm not an expert on laws, GDPR, when consent is needed, by whom, etc. This is a side
by alexsideris 6y ago
Hey there, Alex here. I completely understand where you are coming from.
I'm not an expert on laws, GDPR, when consent is needed, by whom, etc.
This is a side project that just started gaining a little bit of traction, and I'll certainly look into all the above.
However, the emails I add are publicly available, found on the internet. Not from some leaked database.
I also have prices high in order to keep spammers away and have a small handful of customers. I only have about twenty, and they are targeting different kind of startups.
- strgcmc 6y agoA small suggestion then: why not re-apply the same fundamental technologies and techniques, but to targeting public figures who are perhaps deserving of a little more scrutiny and contact than they're getting? Rather than facilitating cold-calls to startup founders/leaders (which, let's face it, is generally a waste of their time and which they probably don't deserve that kind of punishment), why not expose the emails/contact-info of executives for bad actors in the marketplace, companies that have recently been sued or charged with crimes or civil complaints (by the SEC/FCC/etc.), companies that have had exposes written about them, etc.? I'm not saying this will be a more profitable service or anything btw; in fact I'm quite certain it will have much less profit opportunity. But maybe this is something you can do to buy back some goodwill, to counterbalance the profit-seeking and cold-call/spam enabling side of this project.
- AQuantized 6y agoAre you basically advocating facilitating the spamming of a certain section of "morally bad" individuals? I'm not sure this is the kind of advice that will lead to a less controversial business.
- Magnets 6y agoWork email addresses are considered personal data under GDPR https://www.cognitivelaw.co.uk/gdpr-issues-do-work-emails-count-as-personal-data/ https://www.cognitivelaw.co.uk/gdpr-issues-do-work-emails-co...
- Quanttek 6y agoHowever, b2b marking may be allowed under the GDPR. Form your link: > Recital 47 of the GDPR states that “The processing of personal data for direct marketing purposes may be regarded as carried out for a legitimate interest”. However, if you intend to rely on legitimate interest rather than consent, you will need to apply the following three-part test: > 1. The purpose test: Are you processing personal data in pursuit of a legitimate interest? > 2. The necessity test: Is the processing proportionate to achieving your aims? > 3. The balancing test: Is your legitimate interest overridden by the rights of the person whose data you’re processing?
- cosmodisk 6y agoThis is the correct answer for B2B emails in Europe.
- Sebguer 6y agoOnly on HackerNews would "I'm not an expert on laws" be an acceptable answer to this sort of thing, much less the idea that you should check on relevant laws only after shipping a product.
- vageli 6y ago> I'm not an expert on laws, GDPR, when consent is needed, by whom, etc. > This is a side project that just started gaining a little bit of traction, and I'll certainly look into all the above. You are selling a product without even knowing the legality of doing so?
- beardedscotsman 6y agoNever heard of ask for forgiveness than for permission?
- toomanyrichies 6y agoI can't tell if you're being sarcastic. If you are, I applaud the subtlety. For those nodding in agreement, ask yourself whether this line of thinking would hold up in court.
- abiogenesis 6y agoThe GP has a point though. You can't operate a hotel without a license (AirBNB), you can't run a taxi business without a license (Uber), you can't keep other people's money like a bank without a license (PayPal). The list goes on...
- vageli 6y agoIsn't this exactly survivorship bias?
- abiogenesis 6y agoNot exactly, but mine was a tongue-in-cheek comment anyway.
- ineedasername 6y agoMove fast & break things at its best.