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What's 'a long time'? Two weeks? Two months? Six months? 2 years?

whycombagator 6y ago
> "We will not have open borders for the rest of the world for a long time to come." Does not sound like two weeks is likely. I imagine the statement was purposefully non specific as COVID-19 will likely be a threat for a long, yet undetermined, amount of time.
- guidedlight 6y ago
  The Australian tourism minister is saying overseas travel is not likely until 2021. https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/health-safety/australians-may-not-be-able-to-travel-overseas-until-2021-due-to-coronavirus/news-story/5b29c380cef922d256fec79b85b261ab https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/health-safety/...
iso947 6y ago
I suspect until there’s a proven vaccine. NZ has always been the best place in the world to survive the end of days.
- lukifer 6y ago
  ...so long as you don't live near the coastline :/
  - gpm 6y ago
    My impression of new Zealand is that it's mountainous, easy to move inland a short distance for the minority who would be effected.
    - pixelbash 6y ago
      Not many mountains here in Auckland, lots of volcanoes plus one major (and often choked) road in and out though.
  - iso947 6y ago
    Why?
    - lukifer 6y ago
      My (very fuzzy) understanding is that NZ is going to be hit hard by global warming and rising sea levels during the next 50 years: https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/01/alarming-new-map-shows-the-devastation-rising-sea-levels-could-cause-in-new-zealand.html https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/01/alarming-...
      - iso947 6y ago
        Auckland looks less concerning than places like London or New York. I have confidence that the NZ government will deal with it far better than uk or us
Thriptic 6y ago
They presumably mean until coronavirus disappears or a vaccine appears and everyone is innoculated, so indefinitely.
- macspoofing 6y ago
  See .. you're speculating on what they mean. Wouldn't it be nice if they provided a bit more information so we wouldn't have to parse out meaning out of ambiguous statements? You know, they could provide some details on what needs to happen to re-open. Are we waiting for a vaccine as a precondition for reopening? Or herd immunity? Or case count to drop below X?
  - lutorm 6y ago
    Or maybe the world is an ambiguous place?
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- zzzcpan 6y ago
  That would be insane. They probably mean until they figure out how to reopen borders and with whom without risking too much. And given how many countries are doing the same thing maybe even an international agreement of some sort will emerge where only people from virus-free countries or recently tested people will be allowed to take flights.
  - modzu 6y ago
    no because that assumes they are calculating the risk. they aren't because disease is already inside the borders. closing them is purely political
    - procinct 6y ago
      The disease is close to eradicated inside the borders of NZ. At this point there are only a couple of hundred active cases and we’ve now had a couple of days with 0 new cases. Australia seems to be on track for the same thing.
Taniwha 6y ago
We'll reopen our borders, probably soon (they're already open to legal residents), but until there's a vaccine we will have 2 weeks quarantine for all incoming travelers We've had single digit new cases for almost 2 weeks now, 2 new cases in the past 3 days, none in my region for over 2 weeks, there are ~150 active cases nationwide, dropping every day. The goal is for all new cases to be occurring in quarantine.
- modzu 6y ago
  remember folks, never having a vaccine is quite possible
  - ashildr 6y ago
    but not likely. The pressure to develop a vaccine - or at least a very effective therapy like using monoclonal antibodies - is extremely high. Most people survive COVID19, so there must be either a way to trigger a proper immune response or to at least rebuild parts of their response. We‘re currently doing a lot of very advanced science in all related fields in parallel and I think that we can be very sure that we‘ll come up with multiple useful solutions within two years or so. And with a lot of general advancements to scale out processes that have been done on small scales until now. That does not mean that we‘ll be back to what used to be “normal“, though.
    - DarthGhandi 6y ago
      We still don't have one for the common cold, people have been trying for decades. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-havent-we-cured-the-common-cold-yet/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-havent-we-cur...
    - modzu 6y ago
      intense pressure to develop a time machine != a time machine
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> "We will not have open borders for the rest of the world for a long time to come." Does not sound like two weeks is likely. I imagine the statement was purposefully non specific as COVID-19 will likely be a threat for a long, yet undetermined, amount of time.

guidedlight 6y ago
The Australian tourism minister is saying overseas travel is not likely until 2021. https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/health-safety/australians-may-not-be-able-to-travel-overseas-until-2021-due-to-coronavirus/news-story/5b29c380cef922d256fec79b85b261ab https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/health-safety/...

iso947 6y ago

I suspect until there’s a proven vaccine. NZ has always been the best place in the world to survive the end of days.

lukifer 6y ago
...so long as you don't live near the coastline :/
- gpm 6y ago
  My impression of new Zealand is that it's mountainous, easy to move inland a short distance for the minority who would be effected.
  - pixelbash 6y ago
    Not many mountains here in Auckland, lots of volcanoes plus one major (and often choked) road in and out though.
- iso947 6y ago
  Why?
  - lukifer 6y ago
    My (very fuzzy) understanding is that NZ is going to be hit hard by global warming and rising sea levels during the next 50 years: https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/01/alarming-new-map-shows-the-devastation-rising-sea-levels-could-cause-in-new-zealand.html https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/01/alarming-...
    - iso947 6y ago
      Auckland looks less concerning than places like London or New York. I have confidence that the NZ government will deal with it far better than uk or us

Thriptic 6y ago

They presumably mean until coronavirus disappears or a vaccine appears and everyone is innoculated, so indefinitely.

macspoofing 6y ago
See .. you're speculating on what they mean. Wouldn't it be nice if they provided a bit more information so we wouldn't have to parse out meaning out of ambiguous statements? You know, they could provide some details on what needs to happen to re-open. Are we waiting for a vaccine as a precondition for reopening? Or herd immunity? Or case count to drop below X?
- lutorm 6y ago
  Or maybe the world is an ambiguous place?
- deleted 6y ago
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zzzcpan 6y ago
That would be insane. They probably mean until they figure out how to reopen borders and with whom without risking too much. And given how many countries are doing the same thing maybe even an international agreement of some sort will emerge where only people from virus-free countries or recently tested people will be allowed to take flights.
- modzu 6y ago
  no because that assumes they are calculating the risk. they aren't because disease is already inside the borders. closing them is purely political
  - procinct 6y ago
    The disease is close to eradicated inside the borders of NZ. At this point there are only a couple of hundred active cases and we’ve now had a couple of days with 0 new cases. Australia seems to be on track for the same thing.

Taniwha 6y ago

We'll reopen our borders, probably soon (they're already open to legal residents), but until there's a vaccine we will have 2 weeks quarantine for all incoming travelers We've had single digit new cases for almost 2 weeks now, 2 new cases in the past 3 days, none in my region for over 2 weeks, there are ~150 active cases nationwide, dropping every day. The goal is for all new cases to be occurring in quarantine.

modzu 6y ago
remember folks, never having a vaccine is quite possible
- ashildr 6y ago
  but not likely. The pressure to develop a vaccine - or at least a very effective therapy like using monoclonal antibodies - is extremely high. Most people survive COVID19, so there must be either a way to trigger a proper immune response or to at least rebuild parts of their response. We‘re currently doing a lot of very advanced science in all related fields in parallel and I think that we can be very sure that we‘ll come up with multiple useful solutions within two years or so. And with a lot of general advancements to scale out processes that have been done on small scales until now. That does not mean that we‘ll be back to what used to be “normal“, though.
  - DarthGhandi 6y ago
    We still don't have one for the common cold, people have been trying for decades. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-havent-we-cured-the-common-cold-yet/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-havent-we-cur...
  - modzu 6y ago
    intense pressure to develop a time machine != a time machine

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