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In 2013 I imagined this industry as being the next big thing. Mixed with VR, Deepfake, and Voice changing tech, literally anyone could be anyone fucking anyone

In 2013 I imagined this industry as being the next big thing. Mixed with VR, Deepfake, and Voice changing tech, literally anyone could be anyone fucking anyone. Thank you Buttplug, for getting us closer to that dream.

herdodoodo 6y ago
No doubt the tech is cool, but this is actually somewhat disturbing to me. I see it as an expressway for the continued objectification of women, and an easy way for false nudes to begin spreading around. Even if they aren't real, they still violate the most intimate form of privacy. Maybe this is just me.
- adwn 6y ago
  > I see it as an expressway for the continued objectification of women Why? And do you also see it as an expressway for the objectification of men? Of not, why not?
  - claudiawerner 6y ago
    It probably is also an expressway for the objectification of men, but it seems to be used (currently) for women - arguably the objectification of women is much more widespread with modern porn and tech than it is for men. Look at the number of female sex robots on the market versus male sex bots (and no, dildos/fleshlights emulating a single body part such as a penis or vulva by any reasonable argument is not the same kind of objectification of a whole body sex toy), or the amount of porn focusing on the female body versus the male body, nudes of female celebrities leaked versus male celebrities, pornographic deepfakes of women versus deepfakes of men, etc. Objectification in media is common to both sexes. That does not mean to the same degree or in the same quality. (I'm making no comment as to the harm or benefit of objectification[0] here, and I don't buy the idea that programmable sex toys are a form of objectification). [0] There is interesting research, though: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11199-019-01024-0 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11199-019-01024-0 and https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/ab.21719 https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/ab.21719
    - Der_Einzige 6y ago
      Women are not showing demand for male sex bots. It is far easier for a woman who desires sex to have it quickly with something higher quality than a sexbot (think tinder) than it is for men. As a result, men want to buy sexbots. Woman who want male bots likely make up less than 5% of the sexbot market and that's generous as hell of an estimate. I'm willing to bet that this is not all social construction, and a world where men were equally as objectified would only cause slightly more demand for male sexbots. Additionally, I think male objectification is more widespread than you give it credit for. Though, much of it is men objectifying other men. You're right about your other points though.
      - claudiawerner 6y ago
        Women do purchase more conventional sex toys than men do, however. This suggests that women, even when they can get sex, are not as satisfied. If we go with the idea that dildos/fleshlights are not necessarily objectifying, it still leads to the conclusion that both men and women are dissatisfied, but they deal with it in different ways, with some men buying sex robots. An alternative hypothesis is that women on the whole simply don't objectify as much, and would not be in the market for sexbots. Yet another hypothesis is that these women feel as though the technology for male sexbots is not good enough yet (and an associate hypothesis for that would be that women look for other features in sex which cannot be so readily emulated by a robot). I do think male objectification is widespread, but it differs in quality and scale. If male objectification is big, then female objectification is huge. The hypothesis relating to sex robots supports that, but I'm willing to accept it is only one of many.
        qdot76367 6y ago
        So while this is off on a downvoted thread, I'm gonna leave the Buttplug Mission Statement here, which wraps up our core philosophies in relation to objectification and usage of our technologies: -- Buttplug is committed to the safety, autonomy, and human rights of people using it as a sex technology standard, and stands in solidarity with the many intersectional rights of all individuals to be sex positive. As such, Buttplug encourages individual empowerment through self-directed education, and responsible behaviors which are also respectful of the needs and the choices available to everyone. -- Note that sex robots is a... linked field to what I do but still kind of its own thing. I interact with a lot of the researchers there but it's really had to figure out whether the theory stops and any actual, real productization begins.
- mattigames 6y ago
  Ironically I think you are the one objectifying women by implying those devices are only for pleasuring women.
  - da39a3ee5e6b 6y ago
    The standard meaning of "objectification" is not "inserting objects into".
    - mattigames 6y ago
      Not it's not, 100% sure the meaning they were going for is "the action of degrading someone to the status of a mere object"
- runeb 6y ago
  I'm sorry your mind immediately goes to such a dark place regarding this subject. Sex and sexual fantasy can be a wonderful thing.
0x8BADF00D 6y ago
I wonder if you can use this for a setup that cooks and cleans, then I will buy all the components. Should be possible with an IoT enabled washer, dishwasher, vacuum, and oven.
whalesalad 6y ago
Total Recall

herdodoodo 6y ago

No doubt the tech is cool, but this is actually somewhat disturbing to me. I see it as an expressway for the continued objectification of women, and an easy way for false nudes to begin spreading around. Even if they aren't real, they still violate the most intimate form of privacy. Maybe this is just me.

adwn 6y ago
> I see it as an expressway for the continued objectification of women Why? And do you also see it as an expressway for the objectification of men? Of not, why not?
- claudiawerner 6y ago
  It probably is also an expressway for the objectification of men, but it seems to be used (currently) for women - arguably the objectification of women is much more widespread with modern porn and tech than it is for men. Look at the number of female sex robots on the market versus male sex bots (and no, dildos/fleshlights emulating a single body part such as a penis or vulva by any reasonable argument is not the same kind of objectification of a whole body sex toy), or the amount of porn focusing on the female body versus the male body, nudes of female celebrities leaked versus male celebrities, pornographic deepfakes of women versus deepfakes of men, etc. Objectification in media is common to both sexes. That does not mean to the same degree or in the same quality. (I'm making no comment as to the harm or benefit of objectification[0] here, and I don't buy the idea that programmable sex toys are a form of objectification). [0] There is interesting research, though: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11199-019-01024-0 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11199-019-01024-0 and https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/ab.21719 https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/ab.21719
  - Der_Einzige 6y ago
    Women are not showing demand for male sex bots. It is far easier for a woman who desires sex to have it quickly with something higher quality than a sexbot (think tinder) than it is for men. As a result, men want to buy sexbots. Woman who want male bots likely make up less than 5% of the sexbot market and that's generous as hell of an estimate. I'm willing to bet that this is not all social construction, and a world where men were equally as objectified would only cause slightly more demand for male sexbots. Additionally, I think male objectification is more widespread than you give it credit for. Though, much of it is men objectifying other men. You're right about your other points though.
    - claudiawerner 6y ago
      Women do purchase more conventional sex toys than men do, however. This suggests that women, even when they can get sex, are not as satisfied. If we go with the idea that dildos/fleshlights are not necessarily objectifying, it still leads to the conclusion that both men and women are dissatisfied, but they deal with it in different ways, with some men buying sex robots. An alternative hypothesis is that women on the whole simply don't objectify as much, and would not be in the market for sexbots. Yet another hypothesis is that these women feel as though the technology for male sexbots is not good enough yet (and an associate hypothesis for that would be that women look for other features in sex which cannot be so readily emulated by a robot). I do think male objectification is widespread, but it differs in quality and scale. If male objectification is big, then female objectification is huge. The hypothesis relating to sex robots supports that, but I'm willing to accept it is only one of many.
      - qdot76367 6y ago
        So while this is off on a downvoted thread, I'm gonna leave the Buttplug Mission Statement here, which wraps up our core philosophies in relation to objectification and usage of our technologies: -- Buttplug is committed to the safety, autonomy, and human rights of people using it as a sex technology standard, and stands in solidarity with the many intersectional rights of all individuals to be sex positive. As such, Buttplug encourages individual empowerment through self-directed education, and responsible behaviors which are also respectful of the needs and the choices available to everyone. -- Note that sex robots is a... linked field to what I do but still kind of its own thing. I interact with a lot of the researchers there but it's really had to figure out whether the theory stops and any actual, real productization begins.
mattigames 6y ago
Ironically I think you are the one objectifying women by implying those devices are only for pleasuring women.
- da39a3ee5e6b 6y ago
  The standard meaning of "objectification" is not "inserting objects into".
  - mattigames 6y ago
    Not it's not, 100% sure the meaning they were going for is "the action of degrading someone to the status of a mere object"
runeb 6y ago
I'm sorry your mind immediately goes to such a dark place regarding this subject. Sex and sexual fantasy can be a wonderful thing.

0x8BADF00D 6y ago

I wonder if you can use this for a setup that cooks and cleans, then I will buy all the components. Should be possible with an IoT enabled washer, dishwasher, vacuum, and oven.

whalesalad 6y ago

Total Recall