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This has far fewer oddities than the people based ones. Maybe that's because furry art all have similar qualities already, so it's easier? A few of them were ju

This has far fewer oddities than the people based ones. Maybe that's because furry art all have similar qualities already, so it's easier? A few of them were just straight up Judy from Zootopia, so that says something gross about the furry community, I'm sure. Also, I hate this. I especially hate the loading messages.

dylz 7y ago
What does that say that's gross?
- Loughla 7y ago
  I'm learning about some of my personal biases through this, apparently. I just assume furries/fursonas/furry fandom/whatever it's called is about sex.
  - some_furry 7y ago
    > I just assume furries/fursonas/furry fandom/whatever it's called is about sex. Nope! :3 https://faq.dhol.es/@Soatok/furry-fandom/is-furry-a-sex-thing https://faq.dhol.es/@Soatok/furry-fandom/is-furry-a-sex-thin... It's a common misconception. We're more about community than anything. (That's not saying that sex doesn't happen between adults, but that's not what it's about, for everyone.)
  - Lammy 7y ago
    In my experience, any activity or community enjoyed by humans has a subgroup for “that thing, but also with sex”. It’s more of a reflection of what it means to be human than anything to do with the means of that expression.
  - GauntletWizard 7y ago
    It is mostly about sex. Most furries are spergy enough not to realize that the tingly feeling they get from the baby talk is a sexual pleasure, though.
    - rsynnott 7y ago
      This is a pretty weird assumption, especially when you extend it to, say, those people who do faux-medieval re-enactments. One can dress up and get in a character without it being about sex. Don't see the appeal myself, but "it's all about sex" is a weird leap.
      - GauntletWizard 7y ago
        Having been in a ren-faire and had friends in the SCA... Holy crap, have you picked a bad comparison, if you're trying to refute my point. Edit: To provide a bit more context: Mating dances in most bird species are not direct indicators of evolutionary fitness, but they are what is selected for. SCA events, Fursonas, and the like are the postmodern equivalent of mating dances. They are Conspicuous Consumption, Veblen-good displays of "I can spend my time doing this self-defining thing instead of productively". That's fine and dandy. I'm not judging people for making their mating dance some form of roleplay (because most any formal competition displays the same traits).
        rsynnott 7y ago
        ... That's about sex? I would have thought it would be very uncomfortable, with all the anachronistic chain mail and so on. Edit responding to you edit: Okay, based on that thesis pretty much everything, beyond the bare essentials of life, is about sex. Which doesn't really sound plausible.
        GauntletWizard 7y ago
        Life is about reproduction, yes. Nearly every non life-sustaining activity is about sex, and that's not even a thesis, that's an axiom. But very specifically: Furry conventions are about sex. The drunken orgy room parties are far better attended (And yes, I have seen hotel contracts that prove this) than the "main event". Nerd conventions are about sex. SCA events are about sex. They are not exclusively, but as social activities, one of their significant motivating factors is mate-shopping, and there is every indicator that the other advantages of social activity (collaboration and trust building, trading, etc) are not significant motivating factors. People don't get jobs from BDSM conventions (Actually, they do, and then those workplaces go under because hiring people because you're fucking them is dumb).
- blackearl 7y ago
  It doesn't need to be gross to dislike the weird baby talk "uwu" stuff. Although seeing it in much more technical contexts will make me laugh - https://github.com/mpaland/printf/issues/15 https://github.com/mpaland/printf/issues/15 - "Scawy big no functionality at all UwU #15"
  - cosmojg 7y ago
    Wow, that person seems to do this in all of the issues they file. They're also really good at filing issues despite the baby talk. All of their issues are well-researched and immediately actionable with a surprising amount of debugging completed before the initial submission.
    - Baeocystin 7y ago
      Devs tend to have a penchant for the absurd. The details may change along with the zeitgeist, but the personality quirk itself seems to be ubiquitous across the decades.
      - bluntfang 7y ago
        >Devs tend to have a penchant for the absurd. Ok this is just a stereotype that's not true.
        Baeocystin 7y ago
        :: notes reply comes from a commenter with a name that sounds like a fursona :: ...you're messing with me, aren't you. :D
        bluntfang 7y ago
        not really sure what you mean, can you elaborate on why you would say that? FWIW, I've met more normies in my 10years of software development than absurd people. Absurd people are just memorable, it's a bias. If you're actually curious, this username was stolen from an absurd Atlanta based rapper named blunt fang and I get more weed culture association than furry association with it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDal4GCyEJA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDal4GCyEJA
proverbialbunny 7y ago
The dataset grabbed has both fursonas and fan art in it. There are not many furries with fursonas that look like Judy, though I'm not sure why that would be gross. Fursonas tend to mirror the style the content one was watching when they were a kid, so once kids who grow up watching Zootopia become old enough to enter the fandom, then those individuals might bring in a 3D style, but it has yet to happen.
ben_w 7y ago
I was about to say I recognised Toriel [0] and was suspicious it might have been memorising a bit too much. As for the idea that furry are has too many similarities… I don’t think so. The variance in fursona body morphology is huge. For example, one thing I didn’t notice in this set was Sergals [1]. [0] Undertail. And no, not like that. [1] https://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Sergal https://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Sergal
- some_furry 7y ago
  Undertale* though the typo makes sense given AI is on topic
  - ben_w 7y ago
    Now I feel stupid. :)
    - drdeca 7y ago
      Oh, I thought it was intentional, seeing as, uh, that spelling is used to refer to p*ographic fanworks of that work of fiction
  - deleted 7y ago
    [deleted]
- gwern 7y ago
  Arfa excluded a few categories like ponies and scalies to keep it from being too broad for StyleGAN. Sergals would probably get excluded as part of that.
- Kye 7y ago
  And protogens: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiSs-sGclcU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiSs-sGclcU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HwdsjXEbOQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HwdsjXEbOQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGOFU62wVco https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGOFU62wVco
  - 7y ago
dTal 7y ago
I saw a lot of verbatim copies of both the fox and the rabbit from Zootopia (possibly with shades of Disney's Robin Hood) and distinctive elements of Sonic the Hedgehog and Pokemon characters. I think it was trained on popular anthropomorphic media, not just furry art, and there's some overfitting. I don't think stylistic inspiration can quite explain its fondness for cheeky foxes wearing green. Zootopia: https://thisfursonadoesnotexist.com/v2/jpgs-2x/seed18100.jpg https://thisfursonadoesnotexist.com/v2/jpgs-2x/seed18100.jpg https://thisfursonadoesnotexist.com/v2/jpgs-2x/seed73222.jpg https://thisfursonadoesnotexist.com/v2/jpgs-2x/seed73222.jpg https://thisfursonadoesnotexist.com/v2/jpgs-2x/seed46870.jpg https://thisfursonadoesnotexist.com/v2/jpgs-2x/seed46870.jpg https://thisfursonadoesnotexist.com/v2/jpgs-2x/seed88525.jpg https://thisfursonadoesnotexist.com/v2/jpgs-2x/seed88525.jpg https://thisfursonadoesnotexist.com/v2/jpgs-2x/seed16983.jpg https://thisfursonadoesnotexist.com/v2/jpgs-2x/seed16983.jpg https://thisfursonadoesnotexist.com/v2/jpgs-2x/seed38798.jpg https://thisfursonadoesnotexist.com/v2/jpgs-2x/seed38798.jpg https://thisfursonadoesnotexist.com/v2/jpgs-2x/seed34557.jpg https://thisfursonadoesnotexist.com/v2/jpgs-2x/seed34557.jpg https://thisfursonadoesnotexist.com/v2/jpgs-2x/seed20308.jpg https://thisfursonadoesnotexist.com/v2/jpgs-2x/seed20308.jpg https://thisfursonadoesnotexist.com/v2/jpgs-2x/seed65770.jpg https://thisfursonadoesnotexist.com/v2/jpgs-2x/seed65770.jpg https://thisfursonadoesnotexist.com/v2/jpgs-2x/seed13269.jpg https://thisfursonadoesnotexist.com/v2/jpgs-2x/seed13269.jpg https://thisfursonadoesnotexist.com/v2/jpgs-2x/seed31499.jpg https://thisfursonadoesnotexist.com/v2/jpgs-2x/seed31499.jpg https://thisfursonadoesnotexist.com/v2/jpgs-2x/seed78829.jpg https://thisfursonadoesnotexist.com/v2/jpgs-2x/seed78829.jpg https://thisfursonadoesnotexist.com/v2/jpgs-2x/seed02032.jpg https://thisfursonadoesnotexist.com/v2/jpgs-2x/seed02032.jpg https://thisfursonadoesnotexist.com/v2/jpgs-2x/seed24939.jpg https://thisfursonadoesnotexist.com/v2/jpgs-2x/seed24939.jpg Pikachu: https://thisfursonadoesnotexist.com/v2/jpgs-2x/seed12878.jpg https://thisfursonadoesnotexist.com/v2/jpgs-2x/seed12878.jpg https://thisfursonadoesnotexist.com/v2/jpgs-2x/seed05116.jpg https://thisfursonadoesnotexist.com/v2/jpgs-2x/seed05116.jpg https://thisfursonadoesnotexist.com/v2/jpgs-2x/seed49143.jpg https://thisfursonadoesnotexist.com/v2/jpgs-2x/seed49143.jpg Sonic: https://thisfursonadoesnotexist.com/v2/jpgs-2x/seed22797.jpg https://thisfursonadoesnotexist.com/v2/jpgs-2x/seed22797.jpg https://thisfursonadoesnotexist.com/v2/jpgs-2x/seed95651.jpg https://thisfursonadoesnotexist.com/v2/jpgs-2x/seed95651.jpg https://thisfursonadoesnotexist.com/v2/jpgs-2x/seed35704.jpg https://thisfursonadoesnotexist.com/v2/jpgs-2x/seed35704.jpg
knolax 7y ago
I mean it could just be that us non-furries aren't attuned to the subtle differences and conventions of fursonas.
mortenjorck 7y ago
What’s most interesting to me vis-a-vis other GAN portrait generators is the range of illustration styles employed here. It’s like a GAN that generates both manga and western comic-art faces without any incongruous hybrids.

dylz 7y ago

What does that say that's gross?

Loughla 7y ago
I'm learning about some of my personal biases through this, apparently. I just assume furries/fursonas/furry fandom/whatever it's called is about sex.
- some_furry 7y ago
  > I just assume furries/fursonas/furry fandom/whatever it's called is about sex. Nope! :3 https://faq.dhol.es/@Soatok/furry-fandom/is-furry-a-sex-thing https://faq.dhol.es/@Soatok/furry-fandom/is-furry-a-sex-thin... It's a common misconception. We're more about community than anything. (That's not saying that sex doesn't happen between adults, but that's not what it's about, for everyone.)
- Lammy 7y ago
  In my experience, any activity or community enjoyed by humans has a subgroup for “that thing, but also with sex”. It’s more of a reflection of what it means to be human than anything to do with the means of that expression.
- GauntletWizard 7y ago
  It is mostly about sex. Most furries are spergy enough not to realize that the tingly feeling they get from the baby talk is a sexual pleasure, though.
  - rsynnott 7y ago
    This is a pretty weird assumption, especially when you extend it to, say, those people who do faux-medieval re-enactments. One can dress up and get in a character without it being about sex. Don't see the appeal myself, but "it's all about sex" is a weird leap.
    - GauntletWizard 7y ago
      Having been in a ren-faire and had friends in the SCA... Holy crap, have you picked a bad comparison, if you're trying to refute my point. Edit: To provide a bit more context: Mating dances in most bird species are not direct indicators of evolutionary fitness, but they are what is selected for. SCA events, Fursonas, and the like are the postmodern equivalent of mating dances. They are Conspicuous Consumption, Veblen-good displays of "I can spend my time doing this self-defining thing instead of productively". That's fine and dandy. I'm not judging people for making their mating dance some form of roleplay (because most any formal competition displays the same traits).
      - rsynnott 7y ago
        ... That's about sex? I would have thought it would be very uncomfortable, with all the anachronistic chain mail and so on. Edit responding to you edit: Okay, based on that thesis pretty much everything, beyond the bare essentials of life, is about sex. Which doesn't really sound plausible.
        GauntletWizard 7y ago
        Life is about reproduction, yes. Nearly every non life-sustaining activity is about sex, and that's not even a thesis, that's an axiom. But very specifically: Furry conventions are about sex. The drunken orgy room parties are far better attended (And yes, I have seen hotel contracts that prove this) than the "main event". Nerd conventions are about sex. SCA events are about sex. They are not exclusively, but as social activities, one of their significant motivating factors is mate-shopping, and there is every indicator that the other advantages of social activity (collaboration and trust building, trading, etc) are not significant motivating factors. People don't get jobs from BDSM conventions (Actually, they do, and then those workplaces go under because hiring people because you're fucking them is dumb).
blackearl 7y ago
It doesn't need to be gross to dislike the weird baby talk "uwu" stuff. Although seeing it in much more technical contexts will make me laugh - https://github.com/mpaland/printf/issues/15 https://github.com/mpaland/printf/issues/15 - "Scawy big no functionality at all UwU #15"
- cosmojg 7y ago
  Wow, that person seems to do this in all of the issues they file. They're also really good at filing issues despite the baby talk. All of their issues are well-researched and immediately actionable with a surprising amount of debugging completed before the initial submission.
  - Baeocystin 7y ago
    Devs tend to have a penchant for the absurd. The details may change along with the zeitgeist, but the personality quirk itself seems to be ubiquitous across the decades.
    - bluntfang 7y ago
      >Devs tend to have a penchant for the absurd. Ok this is just a stereotype that's not true.
      - Baeocystin 7y ago
        :: notes reply comes from a commenter with a name that sounds like a fursona :: ...you're messing with me, aren't you. :D
        bluntfang 7y ago
        not really sure what you mean, can you elaborate on why you would say that? FWIW, I've met more normies in my 10years of software development than absurd people. Absurd people are just memorable, it's a bias. If you're actually curious, this username was stolen from an absurd Atlanta based rapper named blunt fang and I get more weed culture association than furry association with it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDal4GCyEJA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDal4GCyEJA

proverbialbunny 7y ago

The dataset grabbed has both fursonas and fan art in it. There are not many furries with fursonas that look like Judy, though I'm not sure why that would be gross. Fursonas tend to mirror the style the content one was watching when they were a kid, so once kids who grow up watching Zootopia become old enough to enter the fandom, then those individuals might bring in a 3D style, but it has yet to happen.

ben_w 7y ago

I was about to say I recognised Toriel [0] and was suspicious it might have been memorising a bit too much. As for the idea that furry are has too many similarities… I don’t think so. The variance in fursona body morphology is huge. For example, one thing I didn’t notice in this set was Sergals [1]. [0] Undertail. And no, not like that. [1] https://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Sergal https://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Sergal

some_furry 7y ago
Undertale* though the typo makes sense given AI is on topic
- ben_w 7y ago
  Now I feel stupid. :)
  - drdeca 7y ago
    Oh, I thought it was intentional, seeing as, uh, that spelling is used to refer to p*ographic fanworks of that work of fiction
- deleted 7y ago
  [deleted]
gwern 7y ago
Arfa excluded a few categories like ponies and scalies to keep it from being too broad for StyleGAN. Sergals would probably get excluded as part of that.
Kye 7y ago
And protogens: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiSs-sGclcU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiSs-sGclcU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HwdsjXEbOQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HwdsjXEbOQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGOFU62wVco https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGOFU62wVco
- 7y ago

dTal 7y ago

I saw a lot of verbatim copies of both the fox and the rabbit from Zootopia (possibly with shades of Disney's Robin Hood) and distinctive elements of Sonic the Hedgehog and Pokemon characters. I think it was trained on popular anthropomorphic media, not just furry art, and there's some overfitting. I don't think stylistic inspiration can quite explain its fondness for cheeky foxes wearing green. Zootopia: https://thisfursonadoesnotexist.com/v2/jpgs-2x/seed18100.jpg https://thisfursonadoesnotexist.com/v2/jpgs-2x/seed18100.jpg https://thisfursonadoesnotexist.com/v2/jpgs-2x/seed73222.jpg https://thisfursonadoesnotexist.com/v2/jpgs-2x/seed73222.jpg https://thisfursonadoesnotexist.com/v2/jpgs-2x/seed46870.jpg https://thisfursonadoesnotexist.com/v2/jpgs-2x/seed46870.jpg https://thisfursonadoesnotexist.com/v2/jpgs-2x/seed88525.jpg https://thisfursonadoesnotexist.com/v2/jpgs-2x/seed88525.jpg https://thisfursonadoesnotexist.com/v2/jpgs-2x/seed16983.jpg https://thisfursonadoesnotexist.com/v2/jpgs-2x/seed16983.jpg https://thisfursonadoesnotexist.com/v2/jpgs-2x/seed38798.jpg https://thisfursonadoesnotexist.com/v2/jpgs-2x/seed38798.jpg https://thisfursonadoesnotexist.com/v2/jpgs-2x/seed34557.jpg https://thisfursonadoesnotexist.com/v2/jpgs-2x/seed34557.jpg https://thisfursonadoesnotexist.com/v2/jpgs-2x/seed20308.jpg https://thisfursonadoesnotexist.com/v2/jpgs-2x/seed20308.jpg https://thisfursonadoesnotexist.com/v2/jpgs-2x/seed65770.jpg https://thisfursonadoesnotexist.com/v2/jpgs-2x/seed65770.jpg https://thisfursonadoesnotexist.com/v2/jpgs-2x/seed13269.jpg https://thisfursonadoesnotexist.com/v2/jpgs-2x/seed13269.jpg https://thisfursonadoesnotexist.com/v2/jpgs-2x/seed31499.jpg https://thisfursonadoesnotexist.com/v2/jpgs-2x/seed31499.jpg https://thisfursonadoesnotexist.com/v2/jpgs-2x/seed78829.jpg https://thisfursonadoesnotexist.com/v2/jpgs-2x/seed78829.jpg https://thisfursonadoesnotexist.com/v2/jpgs-2x/seed02032.jpg https://thisfursonadoesnotexist.com/v2/jpgs-2x/seed02032.jpg https://thisfursonadoesnotexist.com/v2/jpgs-2x/seed24939.jpg https://thisfursonadoesnotexist.com/v2/jpgs-2x/seed24939.jpg Pikachu: https://thisfursonadoesnotexist.com/v2/jpgs-2x/seed12878.jpg https://thisfursonadoesnotexist.com/v2/jpgs-2x/seed12878.jpg https://thisfursonadoesnotexist.com/v2/jpgs-2x/seed05116.jpg https://thisfursonadoesnotexist.com/v2/jpgs-2x/seed05116.jpg https://thisfursonadoesnotexist.com/v2/jpgs-2x/seed49143.jpg https://thisfursonadoesnotexist.com/v2/jpgs-2x/seed49143.jpg Sonic: https://thisfursonadoesnotexist.com/v2/jpgs-2x/seed22797.jpg https://thisfursonadoesnotexist.com/v2/jpgs-2x/seed22797.jpg https://thisfursonadoesnotexist.com/v2/jpgs-2x/seed95651.jpg https://thisfursonadoesnotexist.com/v2/jpgs-2x/seed95651.jpg https://thisfursonadoesnotexist.com/v2/jpgs-2x/seed35704.jpg https://thisfursonadoesnotexist.com/v2/jpgs-2x/seed35704.jpg

knolax 7y ago

I mean it could just be that us non-furries aren't attuned to the subtle differences and conventions of fursonas.

mortenjorck 7y ago

What’s most interesting to me vis-a-vis other GAN portrait generators is the range of illustration styles employed here. It’s like a GAN that generates both manga and western comic-art faces without any incongruous hybrids.