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> Numerous issues arose during longer conversations. Blender would sometimes respond with offensive language, and at other times it would make up facts altogeth

by M2Ys4U 6y ago

> Numerous issues arose during longer conversations. Blender would sometimes respond with offensive language, and at other times it would make up facts altogether. I mean, to be fair, I've had many conversations like that...

ryanmarsh 6y ago
What did they expect training it on Reddit posts? Seems to me the bot is working fine.
- maxerickson 6y ago
  Risky chat.
alexbanks 6y ago
So it's just your average Facebook exchange?
- ashtonkem 6y ago
  Facebook is worse. On Reddit you get insulted by an anonymous account with a novelty name. On Facebook you discover how crazy your former friends and relatives can be.
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sterlind 6y ago
That's what happened with Microsoft's Tay. Is it possible to learn sentiment analysis from Reddit? If they had access to modmail they could determine what's offensive to individual subreddits or groups, but I'm not sure if there's a way to gauge fiery reactions without that. Maybe you could bootstrap it with an existing sentiment analysis tool, but that could easily lead to Garbage In Garbage Out.
- canjobear 6y ago
  Tay went bad because of a different mechanism. In the case of Tay, trolls figured out a way to make it repeat back arbitrary strings, and used that to create seemingly offensive dialogue. In the case of this chatbot, the offensiveness is coming from the underlying training data.
  - jonathankoren 6y ago
    It was a bit of both. There was a post after Tay came out that argued that Tay's answer to "Is Ted Cruz the Zodiac Killer?" came from the training the data, because that was already a meme, and it came back with the quip within minutes of launch.
    - mercer 6y ago
      I'm still not convinced he isn't!
- hackerman123469 6y ago
  There is something similar to Tay on Facebook/Instagram but it's not as "offensive" so the problem with Tay must have been in the dataset or something. It's basically a bot attempting to be a social media influencer. See: https://www.facebook.com/brit.o.tara/ https://www.facebook.com/brit.o.tara/
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woutr_be 6y ago
It’s one of the reasons I refuse to open Reddit anymore, 95% of the comments are insults, made up facts, misinformation or people living in their own bubble and refusing to accept any opinion other than their own.
- procinct 6y ago
  The remaining 5% are the same jokes and memes repeated ad nauseam.
  - woutr_be 6y ago
    There are some nice communities out there, but they’re usually well hidden and relatively small. Once a community grows, it turns into the same shit show as the rest of Reddit.
    - ashtonkem 6y ago
      Reddit is fantastic for learning a niche skill. Want to learn how to make Kombucha, lock picking, or 3D printing? Then you probably want Reddit. But anything approaching the popularity of a moderately successful video game turns into a shit show. One of the free to play games I use to play actually had two subreddits, after a community schism. Bonkers.
- michaelcampbell 6y ago
  What percent is made up statistics?
- thiht 6y ago
  Which subreddits specifically? I have a largely different experience on Reddit.
michaelcampbell 6y ago
> > Blender would sometimes respond with offensive language, and at other times it would make up facts altogether. So EXACTLY like reddit, then.
swebs 6y ago
>and at other times it would make up facts altogether Isn't that the entire point of an AI?

by M2Ys4U 6y ago

ryanmarsh 6y ago

What did they expect training it on Reddit posts? Seems to me the bot is working fine.

maxerickson 6y ago
Risky chat.

alexbanks 6y ago

So it's just your average Facebook exchange?

ashtonkem 6y ago
Facebook is worse. On Reddit you get insulted by an anonymous account with a novelty name. On Facebook you discover how crazy your former friends and relatives can be.

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sterlind 6y ago

That's what happened with Microsoft's Tay. Is it possible to learn sentiment analysis from Reddit? If they had access to modmail they could determine what's offensive to individual subreddits or groups, but I'm not sure if there's a way to gauge fiery reactions without that. Maybe you could bootstrap it with an existing sentiment analysis tool, but that could easily lead to Garbage In Garbage Out.

canjobear 6y ago
Tay went bad because of a different mechanism. In the case of Tay, trolls figured out a way to make it repeat back arbitrary strings, and used that to create seemingly offensive dialogue. In the case of this chatbot, the offensiveness is coming from the underlying training data.
- jonathankoren 6y ago
  It was a bit of both. There was a post after Tay came out that argued that Tay's answer to "Is Ted Cruz the Zodiac Killer?" came from the training the data, because that was already a meme, and it came back with the quip within minutes of launch.
  - mercer 6y ago
    I'm still not convinced he isn't!
hackerman123469 6y ago
There is something similar to Tay on Facebook/Instagram but it's not as "offensive" so the problem with Tay must have been in the dataset or something. It's basically a bot attempting to be a social media influencer. See: https://www.facebook.com/brit.o.tara/ https://www.facebook.com/brit.o.tara/

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woutr_be 6y ago

It’s one of the reasons I refuse to open Reddit anymore, 95% of the comments are insults, made up facts, misinformation or people living in their own bubble and refusing to accept any opinion other than their own.

procinct 6y ago
The remaining 5% are the same jokes and memes repeated ad nauseam.
- woutr_be 6y ago
  There are some nice communities out there, but they’re usually well hidden and relatively small. Once a community grows, it turns into the same shit show as the rest of Reddit.
  - ashtonkem 6y ago
    Reddit is fantastic for learning a niche skill. Want to learn how to make Kombucha, lock picking, or 3D printing? Then you probably want Reddit. But anything approaching the popularity of a moderately successful video game turns into a shit show. One of the free to play games I use to play actually had two subreddits, after a community schism. Bonkers.
michaelcampbell 6y ago
What percent is made up statistics?
thiht 6y ago
Which subreddits specifically? I have a largely different experience on Reddit.

michaelcampbell 6y ago

> > Blender would sometimes respond with offensive language, and at other times it would make up facts altogether. So EXACTLY like reddit, then.

swebs 6y ago

>and at other times it would make up facts altogether Isn't that the entire point of an AI?