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Which means any website that does anything useful. That doesn't mean ads, but Google Analytics (or another comparable service) is just about everywhere these

Which means any website that does anything useful. That doesn't mean ads, but Google Analytics (or another comparable service) is just about everywhere these days.

yoz-y 6y ago
It doesn't have to be a modal popup either. If your default is truly "off" then you could have a banner on top or bottom or somewhere saying something like "please help us make the site better..." or whatever.
kohtatsu 6y ago
Google Analytics being everywhere is a at least an order of magnitude worse than the embedded like button spying.
- TomMarius 6y ago
  I disagree. Facebook has much more power over advertising to their users (by personalizing the wall).
  - TeMPOraL 6y ago
    Facebook personalizes the Facebook wall. Google personalizes almost every other page you visit and mobile applications/games you use. Not sure how Facebook is more dangerous here.
    - TomMarius 6y ago
      No, it doesn't. I use adblock, as does a lot of other users. The FB wall is organized to my liking without any direct ads needed.
ferzul 6y ago
but that isn't intrinsic to useful services. it is possible to run a profitable bookstore or organise an event without tracking individual users.
wlll 6y ago
The only reason you need consent is when you're tracking people or storing data that isn't required for the functionality of the site. Shopping carts, subscription services etc. will still work, you don't need to consent to that, as long as you're not tracking people or handling their data unecessarily. When you see one of those cookie popups it is a sign that the website is trying to get more information out of you than they need.
- rcxdude 6y ago
  > When you see one of those cookie popups it is a sign that the website is trying to get more information out of you than they need. Or the owner of the website has failed to understand the nature of the law. Given the amount of confusion in this comment section this also seems likely. The ones which deliberately make the flow for closing the popup and accessing the site without 'consenting' are the ones I think are actually acting malicously.
  - wlll 6y ago
    > Or the owner of the website has failed to understand the nature of the law. Oh, sure, but if they don't understand it then they probably shouldn't be gathering people's data either. GDPR is pretty complex, but website operators have proved for years and years that they can't be trusted to do the right thing themselves, so here we are.
    - dantheman 6y ago
      I'm still waiting to see the harm this tracking is causing that is requiring the GDPR and it's giant cost to society.
      - wlll 6y ago
        Giant cost to society?
        leppr 6y ago
catalogia 6y ago
> Which means any website that does anything useful. That's a ridiculous over-generalization. My bank's website doesn't have ads on it; is that not useful? Wikipedia doesn't either, can you earnestly say you've never found wikipedia useful? There is much more to the web than shitty ad-riddled websites.
tripzilch 6y ago
Google Analytics doesn't do anything useful for the visitor of the website, only for the lazy administrator of the site. But the latter isn't the one giving up consent, are they? Also it's kind of sad if you believe you can't make a useful website without having to hand over private user tracking data to Google. In fact you are using a website just like that, right now.

Which means any website that does anything useful. That doesn't mean ads, but Google Analytics (or another comparable service) is just about everywhere these days.

yoz-y 6y ago

It doesn't have to be a modal popup either. If your default is truly "off" then you could have a banner on top or bottom or somewhere saying something like "please help us make the site better..." or whatever.

kohtatsu 6y ago

Google Analytics being everywhere is a at least an order of magnitude worse than the embedded like button spying.

TomMarius 6y ago
I disagree. Facebook has much more power over advertising to their users (by personalizing the wall).
- TeMPOraL 6y ago
  Facebook personalizes the Facebook wall. Google personalizes almost every other page you visit and mobile applications/games you use. Not sure how Facebook is more dangerous here.
  - TomMarius 6y ago
    No, it doesn't. I use adblock, as does a lot of other users. The FB wall is organized to my liking without any direct ads needed.

ferzul 6y ago

but that isn't intrinsic to useful services. it is possible to run a profitable bookstore or organise an event without tracking individual users.

wlll 6y ago

The only reason you need consent is when you're tracking people or storing data that isn't required for the functionality of the site. Shopping carts, subscription services etc. will still work, you don't need to consent to that, as long as you're not tracking people or handling their data unecessarily. When you see one of those cookie popups it is a sign that the website is trying to get more information out of you than they need.

rcxdude 6y ago
> When you see one of those cookie popups it is a sign that the website is trying to get more information out of you than they need. Or the owner of the website has failed to understand the nature of the law. Given the amount of confusion in this comment section this also seems likely. The ones which deliberately make the flow for closing the popup and accessing the site without 'consenting' are the ones I think are actually acting malicously.
- wlll 6y ago
  > Or the owner of the website has failed to understand the nature of the law. Oh, sure, but if they don't understand it then they probably shouldn't be gathering people's data either. GDPR is pretty complex, but website operators have proved for years and years that they can't be trusted to do the right thing themselves, so here we are.
  - dantheman 6y ago
    I'm still waiting to see the harm this tracking is causing that is requiring the GDPR and it's giant cost to society.
    - wlll 6y ago
      Giant cost to society?
      - leppr 6y ago

catalogia 6y ago

> Which means any website that does anything useful. That's a ridiculous over-generalization. My bank's website doesn't have ads on it; is that not useful? Wikipedia doesn't either, can you earnestly say you've never found wikipedia useful? There is much more to the web than shitty ad-riddled websites.

tripzilch 6y ago

Google Analytics doesn't do anything useful for the visitor of the website, only for the lazy administrator of the site. But the latter isn't the one giving up consent, are they? Also it's kind of sad if you believe you can't make a useful website without having to hand over private user tracking data to Google. In fact you are using a website just like that, right now.