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The idea that simply opening things back up means economic activity returns to normal is, in my opinion, ridiculous. People are going to continue to stay at hom

The idea that simply opening things back up means economic activity returns to normal is, in my opinion, ridiculous. People are going to continue to stay at home. People are going to continue to get sick. Acting like there's an off-switch for this that magically sets us back to a time where we're BaU that we can flip solves nothing - without actual policy makers making new policy, those people most affected will continue to be impacted in a huge way, but political leadership has no interest, especially in the White House. We're on a long, trying road, and the poor leadership is the _main_ reason.

icedchai 6y ago
I think this is going to go on for years, with short periods of stops and starts. There is no other alternative once the curve has been flattened, without a vaccine, or at least an antiviral you can get at your pharmacy. Normality will not return for a very, very long time. It would be sobering for our leaders to admit this is a possible outcome.
defnotashton2 6y ago
This, I think the gov should allow some businesses to attempt to operate but sad truth is a lot of people won't return to public spaces initially especially when we are still peeking cases. I'm not going to pay to go to a movie theater or gym for a while.. I really don't want to fly, can you imagine traveling to another country and getting stranded or having to be sick and having to navigate the local medical system. - I think these things are going to have long lasting effects. Furthermore it's going to be a seasonal thing with ebs and flows forever. Which means that no matter what it's hard to solve.
root_axis 6y ago
> Acting like there's an off-switch for this that magically sets us back to a time where we're BaU that we can flip solves nothings This is kind of a strawman argument though. I say "kind of" because yeah, there are some crazies out there saying that the virus is a plot by the government to crash the economy or some other insanity about 5g and bill gates mind-control vaccines, however, this isn't what most leaders are saying, not even Trump. > without actual policy makers making new policy Right... "a bill focused on reopening America" is literally "policy makers making new policy". Whether or not those policies will effectively address the issues at hand is another question entirely, but I don't think there is anything unreasonable about ostensibly looking towards policies that could start opening some things up. > We're on a long, trying road, and the poor leadership is the _main_ reason. I'm in total agreement with you here and I think things are only going to get worse once the elections are over and Trump doesn't feel any more re-election pressure (yes, I'm assuming he'll win), but that's a separate issue from the stated goal of trying to get people working again.
- dariusj18 6y ago
  I'm not sure what incentives congress has for passing policies for the executive to follow, when the executive has shown it has no problem ignoring the law and using funding passed in alternative ways.
  - root_axis 6y ago
    I agree, but bucking up against an uncooperative executive is preferable to doing nothing and blaming it on the executive, that just plays right into their narrative.

icedchai 6y ago

I think this is going to go on for years, with short periods of stops and starts. There is no other alternative once the curve has been flattened, without a vaccine, or at least an antiviral you can get at your pharmacy. Normality will not return for a very, very long time. It would be sobering for our leaders to admit this is a possible outcome.

defnotashton2 6y ago

This, I think the gov should allow some businesses to attempt to operate but sad truth is a lot of people won't return to public spaces initially especially when we are still peeking cases. I'm not going to pay to go to a movie theater or gym for a while.. I really don't want to fly, can you imagine traveling to another country and getting stranded or having to be sick and having to navigate the local medical system. - I think these things are going to have long lasting effects. Furthermore it's going to be a seasonal thing with ebs and flows forever. Which means that no matter what it's hard to solve.

root_axis 6y ago

> Acting like there's an off-switch for this that magically sets us back to a time where we're BaU that we can flip solves nothings This is kind of a strawman argument though. I say "kind of" because yeah, there are some crazies out there saying that the virus is a plot by the government to crash the economy or some other insanity about 5g and bill gates mind-control vaccines, however, this isn't what most leaders are saying, not even Trump. > without actual policy makers making new policy Right... "a bill focused on reopening America" is literally "policy makers making new policy". Whether or not those policies will effectively address the issues at hand is another question entirely, but I don't think there is anything unreasonable about ostensibly looking towards policies that could start opening some things up. > We're on a long, trying road, and the poor leadership is the _main_ reason. I'm in total agreement with you here and I think things are only going to get worse once the elections are over and Trump doesn't feel any more re-election pressure (yes, I'm assuming he'll win), but that's a separate issue from the stated goal of trying to get people working again.

dariusj18 6y ago
I'm not sure what incentives congress has for passing policies for the executive to follow, when the executive has shown it has no problem ignoring the law and using funding passed in alternative ways.
- root_axis 6y ago
  I agree, but bucking up against an uncooperative executive is preferable to doing nothing and blaming it on the executive, that just plays right into their narrative.