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> It’s disappointing to not see any design tweaks Why ? So that manufacturers feel they have to change something, anything, to satisfy spec-only reviewers ? An

> It’s disappointing to not see any design tweaks Why ? So that manufacturers feel they have to change something, anything, to satisfy spec-only reviewers ? And then we end up with an apple keyboard fiasco ?

Vysero 7y ago
Progress for the sake of progress must be discouraged. --Dolores Umbridge
- Vysero 7y ago
  Why is this getting down voted it's a quote from Harry Potter ya dorks. It's so incredibly obvious that it's a joke I am supersized those of you who down voted it can tell the difference between a shoe and a hat...
  - leonroy 7y ago
    Relevant: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23080059 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23080059 sigh
andylei 7y ago
design tweaks like more than 1 usb-c port
- johnchristopher 7y ago
  While it's a good point I wouldn't call it a design tweak but an hardware improvement ^^.
anoplus 7y ago
Keeping a design unchanged is so underrated. I witness it most when giving technical support to the elderly. When they ask: "why did they changed it?!". I say: "because someone needed a job".
freepor 7y ago
Well I doubt that any of these have reached perfect design (the way that say, a can of Coca-Cola has) so we’d expect to see some minor changes. Hinges, ports, keyboard, etc etc
pizza234 7y ago
Although the updates released are very welcome, in my opinion, the Surface Book 3 has some significant problems. I get that due to the design, it will always be a heavy machine. But due to the hinge, the SB is not really a portable machine, at least in a modern sense. There's no technical justification for the bulkiness; other laptops implement(ed) the form factor with much more compact hinges (I owned at least one that did). It's huge even when in a backpack. It's ironic that this horrible hinge is the trademark of the machine. If they changed it, they would be essentially forced to sell it as a new line. The USB-C is also clearly a checklist feature, as it's not fully integrated: the charger has a Surface connect plug (AFAIK), and the tablet does not have a USB-C (I'm sure about this). This means 1. that the tablet needs the base to be charged through the base (but one can live with this), but worse, 2. that one needs to buy a separate USB-C charger (have fun with this: https://www.reddit.com/r/Surface/comments/7gj449/adventures_in_surface_book_2_charging https://www.reddit.com/r/Surface/comments/7gj449/adventures_...). Given the prices, and the fact that there is nothing comparable to the SB as tablet (maybe the Ipad), one could buy a cheap SB as large tablet. In this case, when traveling (with a separate laptop), one has to carry two chargers (or a hacky adapter, like I do). Check out the Microsoft Surface connect <> USB-C adapter: it's a joke. I personally think they sell few units, and that they're keeping the line as sort of "trophy laptop" (the prices are insane; for the same, you can buy much, much more powerful laptops of well known brands/lines).

Vysero 7y ago

Progress for the sake of progress must be discouraged. --Dolores Umbridge

Vysero 7y ago
Why is this getting down voted it's a quote from Harry Potter ya dorks. It's so incredibly obvious that it's a joke I am supersized those of you who down voted it can tell the difference between a shoe and a hat...
- leonroy 7y ago
  Relevant: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23080059 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23080059 sigh

andylei 7y ago

design tweaks like more than 1 usb-c port

johnchristopher 7y ago
While it's a good point I wouldn't call it a design tweak but an hardware improvement ^^.

anoplus 7y ago

Keeping a design unchanged is so underrated. I witness it most when giving technical support to the elderly. When they ask: "why did they changed it?!". I say: "because someone needed a job".

freepor 7y ago

Well I doubt that any of these have reached perfect design (the way that say, a can of Coca-Cola has) so we’d expect to see some minor changes. Hinges, ports, keyboard, etc etc

pizza234 7y ago

Although the updates released are very welcome, in my opinion, the Surface Book 3 has some significant problems. I get that due to the design, it will always be a heavy machine. But due to the hinge, the SB is not really a portable machine, at least in a modern sense. There's no technical justification for the bulkiness; other laptops implement(ed) the form factor with much more compact hinges (I owned at least one that did). It's huge even when in a backpack. It's ironic that this horrible hinge is the trademark of the machine. If they changed it, they would be essentially forced to sell it as a new line. The USB-C is also clearly a checklist feature, as it's not fully integrated: the charger has a Surface connect plug (AFAIK), and the tablet does not have a USB-C (I'm sure about this). This means 1. that the tablet needs the base to be charged through the base (but one can live with this), but worse, 2. that one needs to buy a separate USB-C charger (have fun with this: https://www.reddit.com/r/Surface/comments/7gj449/adventures_in_surface_book_2_charging https://www.reddit.com/r/Surface/comments/7gj449/adventures_...). Given the prices, and the fact that there is nothing comparable to the SB as tablet (maybe the Ipad), one could buy a cheap SB as large tablet. In this case, when traveling (with a separate laptop), one has to carry two chargers (or a hacky adapter, like I do). Check out the Microsoft Surface connect <> USB-C adapter: it's a joke. I personally think they sell few units, and that they're keeping the line as sort of "trophy laptop" (the prices are insane; for the same, you can buy much, much more powerful laptops of well known brands/lines).