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I think this is again part of the problem with all the misinformation going around. At some point its too much, we have massive levels of unemployment and for m

I think this is again part of the problem with all the misinformation going around. At some point its too much, we have massive levels of unemployment and for many parts of the country, underutilized hospitals. We need a leader that helps focus the message on what criteria is necessary to open and how to do it safely. There are many countries that have sane rules and the exposure rate is pretty damn low. Instead of distracting the conversation about low-paid workers and who is most at risk. We should be looking at the data both the financial and health side and figure out how to manage both.

watwut 7y ago
Answering one of your points is not "distracting the conversation". Your claim was that one side is "Bay Area workers telling everyone to stay home". Answering it with "no actually this is not some kind of Bay Area tech only" phenomenon is completely legitimate. There is no rule that we should accept made up divisions between groups of people just because it suits you. > There are many countries that have sane rules and the exposure rate is pretty damn low. Sure, lets say German or Czech republic. The sane rules still involved closing stores, limiting amount of people in stores, closed schools, mandated hands sanitation upon entering stores. Mandated masks in public places or plexiglass between shoppers and sellers. Their hospitals also instantly limited non-covid related procedures and were underutilized and still are despite countries slowly opening. Both countries also had citizens who were fairly disciplined. Their top politicians did not claimed it is all hoax by opposing party to destroy the country. Czech Republic reacted quite fast to first few sick people and mandated masks right away. Germany ramped up testing quickly and super high. They did contact tracing before virus spread. > We need a leader that helps focus the message on what criteria is necessary to open and how to do it safely. Maybe start by not forcing both-sides framework on everything. Or making strawman groups of Bay Area tech workers who are definitely only ones making America close. Had there be elevated testing regime now, opening would be closer. Had there been faster reaction by the start of it all, the New York did not had to happen and America could be where Germany or Czech Republic is. And it does not seem to me that this state of things is both sides issue nor Bay Area techies issue.
- infecto 7y ago
  Oh boy we went down the "strawman" route. Enjoy!

watwut 7y ago

Answering one of your points is not "distracting the conversation". Your claim was that one side is "Bay Area workers telling everyone to stay home". Answering it with "no actually this is not some kind of Bay Area tech only" phenomenon is completely legitimate. There is no rule that we should accept made up divisions between groups of people just because it suits you. > There are many countries that have sane rules and the exposure rate is pretty damn low. Sure, lets say German or Czech republic. The sane rules still involved closing stores, limiting amount of people in stores, closed schools, mandated hands sanitation upon entering stores. Mandated masks in public places or plexiglass between shoppers and sellers. Their hospitals also instantly limited non-covid related procedures and were underutilized and still are despite countries slowly opening. Both countries also had citizens who were fairly disciplined. Their top politicians did not claimed it is all hoax by opposing party to destroy the country. Czech Republic reacted quite fast to first few sick people and mandated masks right away. Germany ramped up testing quickly and super high. They did contact tracing before virus spread. > We need a leader that helps focus the message on what criteria is necessary to open and how to do it safely. Maybe start by not forcing both-sides framework on everything. Or making strawman groups of Bay Area tech workers who are definitely only ones making America close. Had there be elevated testing regime now, opening would be closer. Had there been faster reaction by the start of it all, the New York did not had to happen and America could be where Germany or Czech Republic is. And it does not seem to me that this state of things is both sides issue nor Bay Area techies issue.

infecto 7y ago
Oh boy we went down the "strawman" route. Enjoy!