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Please just let me opt out of this cookie consent idiocy. How are we making anything better with all these cookie consent pop ups?

coldpie 6y ago
NoScript goes a pretty long way to making the web usable again, especially on mobile (attn web developers: don't like people using noscript? it's your fault. fix it.). There's also this, although I can't vouch for it personally: https://www.i-dont-care-about-cookies.eu/ https://www.i-dont-care-about-cookies.eu/
- mardifoufs 6y ago
  I use it on firefox and it works very well. I think it doesn't support every website out of the box, but I've never came across one that it didn't work well on. The prompts were turning me crazy especially since I use a few privacy extensions that made it impossible for the websites to remember my settings. It meant even browsing the same website lead to one consent form per page I clicked...
- aembleton 6y ago
  Or just add the list to uBlockOrigin https://www.i-dont-care-about-cookies.eu/abp/ https://www.i-dont-care-about-cookies.eu/abp/
  - fireattack 6y ago
    Other similar filter lists: EasyList Cookie: https://easylist-downloads.adblockplus.org/easylist-cookie.txt https://easylist-downloads.adblockplus.org/easylist-cookie.t... AdGuard Annoyances filter: http://adguard.com/filters.html#annoyances http://adguard.com/filters.html#annoyances (There is also "Fanboy’s Annoyance", but it blocks more than just cookie notifications. For example, it blocks social media share buttons which I use a lot. So I don't use it.)
ApolloFortyNine 6y ago
I agree, I just love that's it's now legally required for the vast majority of sites on the internet to have a popup.
- coldpie 6y ago
  No, it isn't required for sites to have a popup. There's a thousand less shitty ways web devs could implement this, up to and including just not using 3rd party cookies. But that's harrrrrrrrrd so we turned the web into a huge mess of crap.
  - petargyurov 6y ago
    Well, technically speaking you can get away with having no cookie pop if you ONLY use "strictly neccessary" cookies. Even if you use cookies to remember the user's preferences that make using your site a more enjoyable experience you have to have a cookie banner. See here, under "Cookie Compliance": https://gdpr.eu/cookies/ https://gdpr.eu/cookies/
    - ascorbic 6y ago
      That doesn't need to be a banner. You can ask for permission at the point someone tries to save preferences.
    - BeniBoy 6y ago
      The link you provide is not a DPA nor a EU body. I would advise getting better sources, as cookies to remember user preferences are allowed without consent.
Cthulhu_ 6y ago
Because the alternative is to just accept all or accept none; the publishers do not want an accept none by default because that means they get no relevant data anymore. The consumers do not want accept all because that's what the GDPR is about in the first place.
monort 6y ago
Just enable "Fanboy’s Annoyance" list in uBlock.
kire456 6y ago
> Please just let me opt out of this cookie consent idiocy. This addon [1] will let you do just that. You can configure it to tell all sites to slurp as much of your data as they want, if that's what you prefer. > How are we making anything better with all these cookie consent pop ups? "We" are giving people back control over what happens with information about them. This is widely considered a good idea, though perhaps not near you ;) The pop-up part can be automated by software if you prefer a one-size-fits-all configuration, as described above. [1] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/consent-o-matic/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/consent-o-mat...
- throwaway13337 6y ago
  Add-ons like those should scare you because they give a small third party free access to every web site you visit. With auto updates, you can't even verify that it isn't doing anything unwanted just once. It could easily make sense to the developer to one day sell to someone who wants to do bad things which is commonly what happens with these. I wish this wasn't true because add-ons like these are powerful and required for the modern web.
  - JadeNB 6y ago
    > Add-ons like those should scare you because they give a small third party free access to every web site you visit. I think that they should scare you because they're, not surreptitiously but by design, consenting to innumerable requests to share your data without your interaction; but I guess to each their own scariness.
- luckylion 6y ago
  > "We" are giving people back control over what happens with information about them. No. We are training people to click on every button and consent to anything that they are presented.
  - notechback 6y ago
    I don't click every consent banner and you also shouldn't. You'd be surprised how many accept a No just fine, which is the intended use.
zelon88 6y ago
I find that GDPR compliant resources to be more trustworthy, even though I am in the US. It shows a desire to comply with regulations that provide me with information I otherwise would not be privy too. Like, how the cookies are being used. This is the most important part, for me, because usually by reading a platforms "cookie spiel" you can usually get a feel for the companies culture with regards to privacy and determine their ad network affiliations. A cookie policy with lots of legal jargon that's 5 pages long and impossible to understand is probably hiding the fact that the visitors are the only product of that platform. On the other hand, if the cookie policy is straightforward, honest, and transparent I will be more likely to engage with that platform, even if I am the product. Less information will never make you safer or more well equipped. Especially in cyber space. Think of it like getting a contractor for your house. Do you want the guy from Craigslist who only takes cash or do you want the licensed journeyman with insurance who invested in making sure he is well equipped and minimally liable?
- notechback 6y ago
  This 100x. Provider that gives me 1-5 check marks to make once (and where the default settings are "off"?) - trustworthy. Anything like Verizon properties which gives an intentionally bad UX with thousands of clicks, information overload, dark patterns where 'accept' = 'accept all' even when you unchecked some boxes.. all this tells me I don't want to support this site. And gdpr does much more, I don't think Google and Facebook exports used to really be possible so easily.
jp555 6y ago
I hope it's teaching us that the next time some ivory tower bureaucrats suggest something, we'll assume they're full of shit and make it a lot harder for them to pull this kind of garbage.
- croon 6y ago
  If your takeaway is that GDPR is the problem in this equation, I can do nothing other than strongly disagree. It quite possibly could be better drafted, but oh boy is personal data hoarding by companies a huge problem, and would certainly not be lesser without oversight.
  - jp555 6y ago
    Why do you think "personal data hoarding" a huge problem? I see it as MY data and YOUR data is pretty worthless. Aggregate data has value, but then that doesn't contain much insight about any individual at all. Isn't it true that the more people's data you have, the less it says about any individual?
    - croon 6y ago
      > Isn't it true that the more people's data you have, the less it says about any individual? I don't see why it would. Unless legally compelled not to, why wouldn't you save both PII and aggregate?
- notechback 6y ago
  That's not the law, that's the implementation that's the issue. The same EU body quoted above has passed the message for a long time that that's not needed eg for purely technical cookies.

coldpie 6y ago

NoScript goes a pretty long way to making the web usable again, especially on mobile (attn web developers: don't like people using noscript? it's your fault. fix it.). There's also this, although I can't vouch for it personally: https://www.i-dont-care-about-cookies.eu/ https://www.i-dont-care-about-cookies.eu/

mardifoufs 6y ago
I use it on firefox and it works very well. I think it doesn't support every website out of the box, but I've never came across one that it didn't work well on. The prompts were turning me crazy especially since I use a few privacy extensions that made it impossible for the websites to remember my settings. It meant even browsing the same website lead to one consent form per page I clicked...
aembleton 6y ago
Or just add the list to uBlockOrigin https://www.i-dont-care-about-cookies.eu/abp/ https://www.i-dont-care-about-cookies.eu/abp/
- fireattack 6y ago
  Other similar filter lists: EasyList Cookie: https://easylist-downloads.adblockplus.org/easylist-cookie.txt https://easylist-downloads.adblockplus.org/easylist-cookie.t... AdGuard Annoyances filter: http://adguard.com/filters.html#annoyances http://adguard.com/filters.html#annoyances (There is also "Fanboy’s Annoyance", but it blocks more than just cookie notifications. For example, it blocks social media share buttons which I use a lot. So I don't use it.)

ApolloFortyNine 6y ago

I agree, I just love that's it's now legally required for the vast majority of sites on the internet to have a popup.

coldpie 6y ago
No, it isn't required for sites to have a popup. There's a thousand less shitty ways web devs could implement this, up to and including just not using 3rd party cookies. But that's harrrrrrrrrd so we turned the web into a huge mess of crap.
- petargyurov 6y ago
  Well, technically speaking you can get away with having no cookie pop if you ONLY use "strictly neccessary" cookies. Even if you use cookies to remember the user's preferences that make using your site a more enjoyable experience you have to have a cookie banner. See here, under "Cookie Compliance": https://gdpr.eu/cookies/ https://gdpr.eu/cookies/
  - ascorbic 6y ago
    That doesn't need to be a banner. You can ask for permission at the point someone tries to save preferences.
  - BeniBoy 6y ago
    The link you provide is not a DPA nor a EU body. I would advise getting better sources, as cookies to remember user preferences are allowed without consent.

Cthulhu_ 6y ago

Because the alternative is to just accept all or accept none; the publishers do not want an accept none by default because that means they get no relevant data anymore. The consumers do not want accept all because that's what the GDPR is about in the first place.

monort 6y ago

Just enable "Fanboy’s Annoyance" list in uBlock.

kire456 6y ago

> Please just let me opt out of this cookie consent idiocy. This addon [1] will let you do just that. You can configure it to tell all sites to slurp as much of your data as they want, if that's what you prefer. > How are we making anything better with all these cookie consent pop ups? "We" are giving people back control over what happens with information about them. This is widely considered a good idea, though perhaps not near you ;) The pop-up part can be automated by software if you prefer a one-size-fits-all configuration, as described above. [1] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/consent-o-matic/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/consent-o-mat...

throwaway13337 6y ago
Add-ons like those should scare you because they give a small third party free access to every web site you visit. With auto updates, you can't even verify that it isn't doing anything unwanted just once. It could easily make sense to the developer to one day sell to someone who wants to do bad things which is commonly what happens with these. I wish this wasn't true because add-ons like these are powerful and required for the modern web.
- JadeNB 6y ago
  > Add-ons like those should scare you because they give a small third party free access to every web site you visit. I think that they should scare you because they're, not surreptitiously but by design, consenting to innumerable requests to share your data without your interaction; but I guess to each their own scariness.
luckylion 6y ago
> "We" are giving people back control over what happens with information about them. No. We are training people to click on every button and consent to anything that they are presented.
- notechback 6y ago
  I don't click every consent banner and you also shouldn't. You'd be surprised how many accept a No just fine, which is the intended use.

zelon88 6y ago

I find that GDPR compliant resources to be more trustworthy, even though I am in the US. It shows a desire to comply with regulations that provide me with information I otherwise would not be privy too. Like, how the cookies are being used. This is the most important part, for me, because usually by reading a platforms "cookie spiel" you can usually get a feel for the companies culture with regards to privacy and determine their ad network affiliations. A cookie policy with lots of legal jargon that's 5 pages long and impossible to understand is probably hiding the fact that the visitors are the only product of that platform. On the other hand, if the cookie policy is straightforward, honest, and transparent I will be more likely to engage with that platform, even if I am the product. Less information will never make you safer or more well equipped. Especially in cyber space. Think of it like getting a contractor for your house. Do you want the guy from Craigslist who only takes cash or do you want the licensed journeyman with insurance who invested in making sure he is well equipped and minimally liable?

notechback 6y ago
This 100x. Provider that gives me 1-5 check marks to make once (and where the default settings are "off"?) - trustworthy. Anything like Verizon properties which gives an intentionally bad UX with thousands of clicks, information overload, dark patterns where 'accept' = 'accept all' even when you unchecked some boxes.. all this tells me I don't want to support this site. And gdpr does much more, I don't think Google and Facebook exports used to really be possible so easily.

jp555 6y ago

I hope it's teaching us that the next time some ivory tower bureaucrats suggest something, we'll assume they're full of shit and make it a lot harder for them to pull this kind of garbage.

croon 6y ago
If your takeaway is that GDPR is the problem in this equation, I can do nothing other than strongly disagree. It quite possibly could be better drafted, but oh boy is personal data hoarding by companies a huge problem, and would certainly not be lesser without oversight.
- jp555 6y ago
  Why do you think "personal data hoarding" a huge problem? I see it as MY data and YOUR data is pretty worthless. Aggregate data has value, but then that doesn't contain much insight about any individual at all. Isn't it true that the more people's data you have, the less it says about any individual?
  - croon 6y ago
    > Isn't it true that the more people's data you have, the less it says about any individual? I don't see why it would. Unless legally compelled not to, why wouldn't you save both PII and aggregate?
notechback 6y ago
That's not the law, that's the implementation that's the issue. The same EU body quoted above has passed the message for a long time that that's not needed eg for purely technical cookies.