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The article doesn't have those screenshots. Hardly just reporting tweets when those tweets aren't present, no?

Veen 6y ago
Are you looking at a different article? The screenshots of Silvercorp's tweets are right there. The article presents a series of claims, and then presents evidence for those claims. Do you have any evidence that contradicts those claims or that Silvercorp didn't launch a failed coup besides your disagreement with the writer's politics?
- kryogen1c 6y ago
  > Are you looking at a different article? The screenshots of Silvercorp's tweets are right there. Apparently. What I see is a text simulation of a tweet that is decidedly not a picture. > Do you have any evidence that Silvercorp didn't launch a failed coup Nope, which is why I didn't say that. The presented story is that an American company attempts a coup and is both on video and tweets about their involvement, implying this is at the behest of the US Government. This implication is wholly unsubstantiated.
  - pjc50 6y ago
    > implying this is at the behest of the US Government That implication isn't in there either? The nearest they come is referencing previous (real) US coup attempts in Latin America. Another source, with sources: https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2020/05/05/the-invasion-of-venezuela-brought-to-you-by-silvercorp-usa/ https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2020/05/05/the-invasion-of-v...
    - kryogen1c 6y ago
      >> implying this is at the behest of the US Government > That implication isn't in there either? Are you trolling or did you not read the article? The entire first paragraph is purposefully doing this. In fact, I was probably wrong for calling it an implication in the first place as they are pretty explicit: "Normally when people practice a thing for a very long time, they become competent at it. The U.S. government, for example, has invested decades, troops, and money into its traditional activities south of the border. By this, I mean coups. The U.S. has never met a left-wing Latin American political figure it did not want to overthrow, and you would think that after a while, they’d get good at it — and that this skill, honed over so many generations, would perhaps trickle down from the CIA and sundry special forces to our patriotic mercenaries. Enter Silvercorp USA."
      - js2 6y ago
        "An Associated Press investigation found no evidence of U.S. government involvement in the plot." https://apnews.com/79346b4e428676424c0e5669c80fc310 https://apnews.com/79346b4e428676424c0e5669c80fc310
        trowawee 6y ago
        Well...yeah. That's the whole point of deniable operations: when they go to hell, you can pretend they were the work of some rogue operators. Every time one of these goes sideways, the US government tries to wash its hands of the instigators. Doesn't mean we need to be credulous enough to believe them, or the media outlets they use to launder those claims. It's absolutely legitimate to look at the CIA's body of work in South America and then roll your eyes and laugh when they try whistle innocently and stroll away from an attempted coup against a left-wing South American leader involving ex-special forces.
      - dariusj18 6y ago
        The way I read that is, "The US government has done a lot of meddling in Central/South America" and "You'd think as a result of such a long history, our private sector would have gotten good at it by now too."
    - LyndsySimon 6y ago
      Regional media is dropping Trump's name in particular. For example: https://twitter.com/telesurenglish/status/1257491923109109760 https://twitter.com/telesurenglish/status/125749192310910976... > . @NicolasMaduro : Among the terrorist captured today they were 2 U.S. military officials from Texas. According to a member of the band they are "intermediaries with Trump's head of security". Their names are Luke Denman and Aaron Barry, members of the company Silver Corp.

Veen 6y ago

Are you looking at a different article? The screenshots of Silvercorp's tweets are right there. The article presents a series of claims, and then presents evidence for those claims. Do you have any evidence that contradicts those claims or that Silvercorp didn't launch a failed coup besides your disagreement with the writer's politics?

kryogen1c 6y ago
> Are you looking at a different article? The screenshots of Silvercorp's tweets are right there. Apparently. What I see is a text simulation of a tweet that is decidedly not a picture. > Do you have any evidence that Silvercorp didn't launch a failed coup Nope, which is why I didn't say that. The presented story is that an American company attempts a coup and is both on video and tweets about their involvement, implying this is at the behest of the US Government. This implication is wholly unsubstantiated.
- pjc50 6y ago
  > implying this is at the behest of the US Government That implication isn't in there either? The nearest they come is referencing previous (real) US coup attempts in Latin America. Another source, with sources: https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2020/05/05/the-invasion-of-venezuela-brought-to-you-by-silvercorp-usa/ https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2020/05/05/the-invasion-of-v...
  - kryogen1c 6y ago
    >> implying this is at the behest of the US Government > That implication isn't in there either? Are you trolling or did you not read the article? The entire first paragraph is purposefully doing this. In fact, I was probably wrong for calling it an implication in the first place as they are pretty explicit: "Normally when people practice a thing for a very long time, they become competent at it. The U.S. government, for example, has invested decades, troops, and money into its traditional activities south of the border. By this, I mean coups. The U.S. has never met a left-wing Latin American political figure it did not want to overthrow, and you would think that after a while, they’d get good at it — and that this skill, honed over so many generations, would perhaps trickle down from the CIA and sundry special forces to our patriotic mercenaries. Enter Silvercorp USA."
    - js2 6y ago
      "An Associated Press investigation found no evidence of U.S. government involvement in the plot." https://apnews.com/79346b4e428676424c0e5669c80fc310 https://apnews.com/79346b4e428676424c0e5669c80fc310
      - trowawee 6y ago
        Well...yeah. That's the whole point of deniable operations: when they go to hell, you can pretend they were the work of some rogue operators. Every time one of these goes sideways, the US government tries to wash its hands of the instigators. Doesn't mean we need to be credulous enough to believe them, or the media outlets they use to launder those claims. It's absolutely legitimate to look at the CIA's body of work in South America and then roll your eyes and laugh when they try whistle innocently and stroll away from an attempted coup against a left-wing South American leader involving ex-special forces.
    - dariusj18 6y ago
      The way I read that is, "The US government has done a lot of meddling in Central/South America" and "You'd think as a result of such a long history, our private sector would have gotten good at it by now too."
  - LyndsySimon 6y ago
    Regional media is dropping Trump's name in particular. For example: https://twitter.com/telesurenglish/status/1257491923109109760 https://twitter.com/telesurenglish/status/125749192310910976... > . @NicolasMaduro : Among the terrorist captured today they were 2 U.S. military officials from Texas. According to a member of the band they are "intermediaries with Trump's head of security". Their names are Luke Denman and Aaron Barry, members of the company Silver Corp.