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Why is your product called Axiom "AI"? I'm struggling to see any actual AI baked into the product.
by jonny383 6y ago
Why is your product called Axiom "AI"? I'm struggling to see any actual AI baked into the product.
- yaseer 6y agoIt was a convenient domain name with alliteration - we make no AI claims in any of our marketing.
- onion2k 6y agoYour domain name is marketing.
- yaseer 6y agoWell, the decision process to decide our domain went like this: 'axiom.pm is available and axiom.ai is available. axiom.ai sounds better'. Our users have voiced their concerns about many things (primarily data privacy), but to date, none have told us they felt deceived by the domain.
- devsatish 6y agoseems .ai is the new .io for tech startups/projects..
- yaseer 6y agoThat's pretty much how we see it. It's what .ai has become. .ai is a country-code, not an officially designated domain for artificial intelligence.
- onion2k 6y agoThat's pretty much how we see it. It's what .ai has become. How you see it doesn't matter. Marketing is not about doing whatever you think is good and then telling your audience they're wrong when they interpret it differently. If someone sees .ai in your business name (and you're not based in Anguilla) then they're going to make some assumptions. In your case that assumption is that the "ai" part is just "marketing bullshit", and that will probably affect whether or not people give your product a fair try.
- yaseer 6y agoAgreed, the meaning of .ai domains isn't set by us. Formally, .ai is a country domain. However, it's broader meaning is cultural - again, not set by us. By popular usage .ai has become like .io, used informally as a startup domain. We're really just following that pattern. Our users don't tell us they felt deceived by the pattern, they never even mention it as a concern. Instead, much concerned feedback is around data-privacy.
- onion2k 6y agoThe people who felt deceived won't have become users, so that's a pretty bad metric.
- yaseer 6y ago(I'm indulging this debate because debate is a fun part of HN. There's no negativity @onion2k; I hope you interpret it the same way). Our domain doesn't really conjure many preconceptions for users to feel that deceived. The conceptions are really vague, more like subtle connotations than denotation. If you arrive at the site thinking "there was a vague connotation of an ai startup. Instead this is a browser automation startup. I have been deceived!"...you would not be our intended user in the first place. Maybe you got us confused with another ai startup somewhere. Our intended user would arrive expecting, and getting, no-code browser automation. Further Edit: I think this comes across more argumentative than I intended. I just wanted to add that you make a point I understand and agree with; there's been a lot of hype about AI startups that aren't really AI. We aren't one of those, but maybe our domain makes us look like one!
- namelosw 6y agoSo, what do those .io domains market? IO devices? IO stream?
- 411111111111111 6y agoNo. > The Internet country code top-level domain (ccTLD) .io is assigned to the British Indian Ocean Territory.
- draugadrotten 6y ago"we target geeks"
- bryanrasmussen 6y agoBy this particular rule of thumb am I still allowed to name my new beverage company mai-t.ai? I mean I might think when I went to their site, huh, doesn't seem to be any AI, but they don't name AI, hah hah bet they couldn't get the domain name they wanted.
- jonny383 6y agoWhy is your company (and I quote your footer) "©Axiom AI limited 2020" If it was purely for convenience of domain name availability? I don't think I've ever seen a company register their name in the format ot "COMPANY_NAME [TLD_EXTENSION]"
- yaseer 6y ago'Axiom' was taken as a company name + It's not convention to name a UK company by the raw domain name string (e.g. www and other characters must be removed). If you pass the domain through this filter, you get this. Secondly, our idea on incorporation involved a far more complex product. One in which we could process mine (via ML) browser data to generate business process models (BPMN) and browser automations... Turns out people only wanted the browser automation part of that. We're left with a .ai domain name and company name, but do not reference any aspect of AI in marketing our browser automation product.
- gas9S9zw3P9c 6y agoI had the exact same thought. I would suggest to take out the .ai because it IMO makes you look disingenuous. If your name is already clear marketing BS, then someone may extrapolate that to the rest of your product. That happened to me, you already lost credibility with me by naming it .ai because, in my mind, you either 1. Have no idea what AI means, or 2. You know very well but you are lying. I'm not saying either of those are true, but that's what was going through my mind when I first opened the website.
- petepete 6y agoIsn't AI the top level domain for Anguilla? I saw no mention of artificial intelligence on their website.
- crispyporkbites 6y agoYea pretty sure they are based in Anguilla. You can tell from the TLD for sure. It's probably unrelated but there's quite a few Artificial Intelligence companies there as well.
- petepete 6y agoAlmost as many as there are tech startups in Libya and the British Indian Ocean Territory.
- forgingahead 6y agoTo @yaseer -- ignore jonny's comment and any others trying to claim you're being misleading because of the ".ai" in your domain name. You're not, it's fine, move on, focus on your customers and generating more revenue/success for yourself. Nice looking product! Hope you get continued success with it.
- wheelerwj 6y agoThis is a weird response, especially in this community and climate. AI implies the company is making use of the users data to perform some kind of additional analysis and decision making. This privacy is a key factor in my decision to use software as well the recommendations I make to my clients. If there is no AI/ML involved, they could simply answer, "it was the only domain name available." and everyone, absolutely everyone, on HN would laugh and move on.
- yaseer 6y agoThat's pretty much what we said, along with 'we make no ai claims'. The HN community is not known for "laughing and moving on" - but that's what makes the community great. It's filled with pedantic, over-intellectualised debate, and I wouldn't have it any other way.
- forgingahead 6y agoYou (and others) are mind-reading the intention of the original poster, and making a stupid demand of him ("change your domain name!!"). You could also call this "nit-picking", and in real life, I would call this "bullying". Absolutely zero paying customers of his will be bothered or even think about "ai means machine learning blablahblah". I am being harsh with you and others because there are many many introverted engineers who read HN who let their inner voices second guess every single decision they make. Comments like yours and jonnys do absolutely nothing but add FUD to their process. If you have legitimate feedback about the product, by all means give it. But picking a silly thing to nitpick about (the TLD of the site!) is nonsense.
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- GistNoesis 6y agoI think there is definitely some room for AI in this space. Once you are scrapping or interacting with external services there always is the "staying up-to-date" problem. Ideally you want your selection rules and rules for your actions to be invariant to little change in the user interfaces. This includes various anomaly monitoring like network error, captcha, UI-changes, anti-scrapping measures. An AI can help for that. The goal is to become fire and forget. You can also extend the technology to become collaborative and do some analytics to leverage AI tools.
- yaseer 6y agoThere is the scope, and we do have much bigger plans. However, we have gone with the simplest iteration for MVP