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Do we really need WinUI in 2020?

by koolhead17 6y ago

techntoke 6y ago
No. It has already lost. No one cares anymore about developing exclusively for Windows.
- Fredej 6y ago
  I do ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
- Mistredo 6y ago
  You should step out from your bubble. Majority of the world still runs Windows on their desktop.
  - kalleboo 6y ago
    And on their copy of Windows, they're running Chrome and 10 copies of Electron. In 1995, Marc Andreesen said "Netscape will soon reduce Windows to a poorly debugged set of device drivers", but I guess that turned out to be Google instead.
    - pjmlp 6y ago
      I guess you are speaking about Desktop Linux.
      - ginko 6y ago
        Did Linus Torvalds kick your dog or something?
        pjmlp 6y ago
        Nah, we even share common opinions. "Fragmentation is Why Linux Hasn’t Succeeded on Desktop: Linus Torvalds" https://itsfoss.com/desktop-linux-torvalds/ https://itsfoss.com/desktop-linux-torvalds/
        techntoke 6y ago
        LOL, succeeded means something very different in this context than what you are implying. Linux did succeed on the desktop and in fact it has made many great strides that makes performance and desktop management better than Windows in almost every way. Just because it doesn't have majority marketshare, in part due to Microsoft making backroom deals to ship computers from the slave labor factories that Microsoft supports in order to sell $200 pieces of junk adware laptops at Walmart, doesn't mean that it hasn't been successful.
        pjmlp 6y ago
        That looks like the same kind of argumentation where every new car is the car of the year, one just needs to tune the right parameters.
  - vetinari 6y ago
    And they do it for Win32-based apps.
- pjmlp 6y ago
  Many business do, life sciences laboratory devices, factory automation consoles, Deutsch Bahn ticketing machines and plenty of other ones.
- flukus 6y ago
  Lots of companies do, developing exclusively for Windows 10 makes this a non-starter though, they need to back port it to at least Windows 7.
  - theandrewbailey 6y ago
    Windows 7 general support ended in January, so anything involving it is on Microsoft's "we'd rather not" list.
    - flukus 6y ago
      But many companies will be on it for a lot longer and this is version 3 of WinUI. The question is "what tech stack can we use to target all current versions of windows and isn't being deprecated anytime soon?", as windows 7 dies out this may become the answer but for the past several years and probably the next few Win32 is the only possibility.
- xnyan 6y ago
  Do you have any evidence to support this claim? Windows is the most widely used desktop OS by a huge margin.
  - techntoke 6y ago
    Windows had to partner with Linux to stay relevant or risk losing their developers. They also had to build containers into their OS or risk losing the server market. While Windows may come pre-installed by most manufacturers, when it comes to tech and engineering no one uses Windows unless they are subservient.

Do we really need WinUI in 2020?

techntoke 6y ago

No. It has already lost. No one cares anymore about developing exclusively for Windows.

Fredej 6y ago
I do ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Mistredo 6y ago
You should step out from your bubble. Majority of the world still runs Windows on their desktop.
- kalleboo 6y ago
  And on their copy of Windows, they're running Chrome and 10 copies of Electron. In 1995, Marc Andreesen said "Netscape will soon reduce Windows to a poorly debugged set of device drivers", but I guess that turned out to be Google instead.
  - pjmlp 6y ago
    I guess you are speaking about Desktop Linux.
    - ginko 6y ago
      Did Linus Torvalds kick your dog or something?
      - pjmlp 6y ago
        Nah, we even share common opinions. "Fragmentation is Why Linux Hasn’t Succeeded on Desktop: Linus Torvalds" https://itsfoss.com/desktop-linux-torvalds/ https://itsfoss.com/desktop-linux-torvalds/
        techntoke 6y ago
        LOL, succeeded means something very different in this context than what you are implying. Linux did succeed on the desktop and in fact it has made many great strides that makes performance and desktop management better than Windows in almost every way. Just because it doesn't have majority marketshare, in part due to Microsoft making backroom deals to ship computers from the slave labor factories that Microsoft supports in order to sell $200 pieces of junk adware laptops at Walmart, doesn't mean that it hasn't been successful.
        pjmlp 6y ago
        That looks like the same kind of argumentation where every new car is the car of the year, one just needs to tune the right parameters.
- vetinari 6y ago
  And they do it for Win32-based apps.
pjmlp 6y ago
Many business do, life sciences laboratory devices, factory automation consoles, Deutsch Bahn ticketing machines and plenty of other ones.
flukus 6y ago
Lots of companies do, developing exclusively for Windows 10 makes this a non-starter though, they need to back port it to at least Windows 7.
- theandrewbailey 6y ago
  Windows 7 general support ended in January, so anything involving it is on Microsoft's "we'd rather not" list.
  - flukus 6y ago
    But many companies will be on it for a lot longer and this is version 3 of WinUI. The question is "what tech stack can we use to target all current versions of windows and isn't being deprecated anytime soon?", as windows 7 dies out this may become the answer but for the past several years and probably the next few Win32 is the only possibility.
xnyan 6y ago
Do you have any evidence to support this claim? Windows is the most widely used desktop OS by a huge margin.
- techntoke 6y ago
  Windows had to partner with Linux to stay relevant or risk losing their developers. They also had to build containers into their OS or risk losing the server market. While Windows may come pre-installed by most manufacturers, when it comes to tech and engineering no one uses Windows unless they are subservient.