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Is this going to be another silverlight? Is WPF deprecated? Is win32 gdi going away?

by 0x0 6y ago

jabroni_salad 6y ago
Actually, I think they made this specifically because win32 is here to stay. UWP is officially dead and you can upload win32 to the Microsoft Store, now. This paves the way for some parts of the UWP dream (works on high dpi, supports touch, fancy graphics without needing custom assets) in win32. Between this, MSIX, containerization, etc the fat app landscape could be pretty good. Too bad all my vendors who are still releasing fat apps will never modernize and all the new vendors are web-only.
- Mistredo 6y ago
  Dead? They still develop it, and I don't see a reason why you would start a new app in Win32 or WPF.
  - tonyedgecombe 6y ago
    One reason is you know it well and are used to the tooling.
    - SneakerXZ 6y ago
      If you ever used Win32, you wouldn't mind abandoning it. It is not good API. If you know WPF, you feel like at home with UWP.
      - tonyedgecombe 6y ago
        I quite like Win32, my main app used WinForms so I still end up reaching into it quite regularly.
- pjmlp 6y ago
  UWP is the future of Windows APIs, Win32 is mostly frozen since WIndows XP. Microsoft is just making UWP similar to what Google is making with AndroidX, detaching the technology from the OS version.
  - coribuci 6y ago
    > UWP is the future of Windows APIs, Win32 is mostly frozen since WIndows XP. Frozen is usually a good thing. > Microsoft is just making UWP similar to what Google is making with AndroidX, detaching the technology from the OS version. ... and from users also. Will they get a lawsuit from Google for copying their UI as they got from Apple ? I think not because the UI is so bad that they will be ashamed to go to court with something like this.
    - pjmlp 6y ago
      Frozen is only good as means to preserve food. What did Microsoft copied from Android?!? If anything, Material 1.0 is heavily based on Metro.
      - freeone3000 6y ago
        Frozen is good because it means you can develop reliable software that will continue to work in the future without running on a constant treadmill of useless updates.
        pjmlp 6y ago
        Frozen and reliable are not synonyms. It is also hard to get bug fixes without updates.
        badsectoracula 6y ago
        The API is frozen, not the features and bug fixes. New APIs can be introduced (and are introduced) and bug fixes and features are added. As a very simple example, see how you can enter emojis in any unicode-aware Win32 input box application with Win+; even though this functionality was introduced in (IIRC) Windows 10 Fall Creators Update.
- ptx 6y ago
  > win32 is here to stay ...separated off in a virtual machine connected over RDP. That's the plan in Windows X at least: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztrmrIlgbIc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztrmrIlgbIc They say that the VM and the remote desktop connection are "optimized" but also that UWP/Modern apps will be faster and better for battery life, so it doesn't sound like a great future for win32.
  - cdash 6y ago
    Windows 10x isn't for the destop.
    - freeone3000 6y ago
      First thing they're launching is a laptop though? And honestly, I'm a bit tired of the arbitrary computing distinctions between what gets to be a real computer and what doesn't.

Is this going to be another silverlight? Is WPF deprecated? Is win32 gdi going away?

by 0x0 6y ago

Is this going to be another silverlight? Is WPF deprecated? Is win32 gdi going away?

Actually, I think they made this specifically because win32 is here to stay. UWP is officially dead and you can upload win32 to the Microsoft Store, now. This paves the way for some parts of the UWP dream (works on high dpi, supports touch, fancy graphics without needing custom assets) in win32. Between this, MSIX, containerization, etc the fat app landscape could be pretty good. Too bad all my vendors who are still releasing fat apps will never modernize and all the new vendors are web-only.

Mistredo 6y ago
Dead? They still develop it, and I don't see a reason why you would start a new app in Win32 or WPF.
- tonyedgecombe 6y ago
  One reason is you know it well and are used to the tooling.
  - SneakerXZ 6y ago
    If you ever used Win32, you wouldn't mind abandoning it. It is not good API. If you know WPF, you feel like at home with UWP.
    - tonyedgecombe 6y ago
      I quite like Win32, my main app used WinForms so I still end up reaching into it quite regularly.
pjmlp 6y ago
UWP is the future of Windows APIs, Win32 is mostly frozen since WIndows XP. Microsoft is just making UWP similar to what Google is making with AndroidX, detaching the technology from the OS version.
- coribuci 6y ago
  > UWP is the future of Windows APIs, Win32 is mostly frozen since WIndows XP. Frozen is usually a good thing. > Microsoft is just making UWP similar to what Google is making with AndroidX, detaching the technology from the OS version. ... and from users also. Will they get a lawsuit from Google for copying their UI as they got from Apple ? I think not because the UI is so bad that they will be ashamed to go to court with something like this.
  - pjmlp 6y ago
    Frozen is only good as means to preserve food. What did Microsoft copied from Android?!? If anything, Material 1.0 is heavily based on Metro.
    - freeone3000 6y ago
      Frozen is good because it means you can develop reliable software that will continue to work in the future without running on a constant treadmill of useless updates.
      - pjmlp 6y ago
        Frozen and reliable are not synonyms. It is also hard to get bug fixes without updates.
        badsectoracula 6y ago
        The API is frozen, not the features and bug fixes. New APIs can be introduced (and are introduced) and bug fixes and features are added. As a very simple example, see how you can enter emojis in any unicode-aware Win32 input box application with Win+; even though this functionality was introduced in (IIRC) Windows 10 Fall Creators Update.
ptx 6y ago
> win32 is here to stay ...separated off in a virtual machine connected over RDP. That's the plan in Windows X at least: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztrmrIlgbIc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztrmrIlgbIc They say that the VM and the remote desktop connection are "optimized" but also that UWP/Modern apps will be faster and better for battery life, so it doesn't sound like a great future for win32.
- cdash 6y ago
  Windows 10x isn't for the destop.
  - freeone3000 6y ago
    First thing they're launching is a laptop though? And honestly, I'm a bit tired of the arbitrary computing distinctions between what gets to be a real computer and what doesn't.