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> The USA is an aberration in this regard - even the workers seem to value the rights of the employers far above the rights of the employees. No one has a righ

> The USA is an aberration in this regard - even the workers seem to value the rights of the employers far above the rights of the employees. No one has a right to payment if they do not provide services.

ryanbrunner 6y ago
If it's specified in their employment contract, they absolutely do. A severance package is really at the root of it just something laid out in an employment contract that says that absent cause, an employer needs to compensate the employee for terminating the contract. Clauses like that are super common in all kinds of contracts. The main difference, of course, is that in countries that require this sort of thing, it's required - but requiring certain implicit terms in employment contracts is a regular thing in the U.S. as well - there's all kinds of regulations and case law on what sorts of employment contracts are valid. Saying that something like severance is a necessary requirement is a difference of degree, not of kind.
- agensaequivocum 6y ago
  Yes I should have been more specific. If it is agreed to than yes the payment is due. But the government forcing it is unjust.
  - ryanbrunner 6y ago
    Are notice periods, minimum wages, and restricting discrimination on protected grounds unjust as well? All of those are forced onto employment contracts in the U.S. (if not explicitly, then implicitly) regardless of whether employees or employers want them to be.
- unishark 6y ago
  if you need to get the other party to sign a contract granting you a contractual right, doesn't that rather make the above poster's larger point though? Especially since that contract is the place where the salary and work are agreed upon. If I don't have a right to force you to work for me as a servant, then I need to get you to agree to do it willingly via some kind of contract.
blackoil 6y ago
Most CEO contracts in USA come have a golden parachute as far as I know.

ryanbrunner 6y ago

If it's specified in their employment contract, they absolutely do. A severance package is really at the root of it just something laid out in an employment contract that says that absent cause, an employer needs to compensate the employee for terminating the contract. Clauses like that are super common in all kinds of contracts. The main difference, of course, is that in countries that require this sort of thing, it's required - but requiring certain implicit terms in employment contracts is a regular thing in the U.S. as well - there's all kinds of regulations and case law on what sorts of employment contracts are valid. Saying that something like severance is a necessary requirement is a difference of degree, not of kind.

agensaequivocum 6y ago
Yes I should have been more specific. If it is agreed to than yes the payment is due. But the government forcing it is unjust.
- ryanbrunner 6y ago
  Are notice periods, minimum wages, and restricting discrimination on protected grounds unjust as well? All of those are forced onto employment contracts in the U.S. (if not explicitly, then implicitly) regardless of whether employees or employers want them to be.
unishark 6y ago
if you need to get the other party to sign a contract granting you a contractual right, doesn't that rather make the above poster's larger point though? Especially since that contract is the place where the salary and work are agreed upon. If I don't have a right to force you to work for me as a servant, then I need to get you to agree to do it willingly via some kind of contract.

blackoil 6y ago

Most CEO contracts in USA come have a golden parachute as far as I know.