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Zurich and London top out at $100k, any more and we're talking managerial responsibilities. Compared to SF or SEA they are only paying ~25% market rate. The sa
by 2019-nCoV 6y ago
Zurich and London top out at $100k, any more and we're talking managerial responsibilities. Compared to SF or SEA they are only paying ~25% market rate.
The safety net argument has no legs. Australia and Canada both have social benefits that far exceed the majority of EU nations, yet pre-pandemic there was no shortage of $150k+ dev roles.
- vhartman 6y agoZurich does definitely not top out at 100k. Depending on your negotiation skills, you'll start at about 120-140k in the big tech companies, around 120k in data science consulting, 120k for data science in banks, 80-100k at the smaller software companies.
- 2019-nCoV 6y agoThe number of European devs making >$100k is a fraction of a percent. Your numbers tell the story — the pinnacle of the entire European continent is still only paying 25% comparable US market rate, and 60% comparable AU/CA rate. In a city more expensive than SF.
- lonbigtech 6y agoLondon isn’t more expensive than SF. And I have colleagues who make £450k+
- 2019-nCoV 6y ago> London isn’t more expensive than SF. Zurich is. > And I have colleagues who make £450k+ Just as there are American devs pocketing 7 figures annually. Again, the number of European devs making >$100k is a fraction of a percent. You can be making $100k in the US after a 6 month bootcamp or in AU/CA with a couple of years experience.
- lonbigtech 6y ago> Zurich is Not when you factor in the tax differential I doubt that $100k is the 99th percentile for London developers, maybe it is for European in general.
- ryandrake 6y agoIf you've read salary threads, you’d know that everyone on Hacker News makes $1.5 million per year as an entry level software engineer, owns three houses and a Ferrari, and has a supermodel significant other.
- louisswiss 6y agoI've employed developers in Zurich. I promise you, the market for developers does not top out at anywhere near $100k. That's closer to a starting salary (assuming a university degree).
- wolco 6y agoGood luck finding a dev job malig 150k+ in Canadian dollars.
- lonbigtech 6y agoIn Canada? Work at a fintech, FANG, or as a quant.
- jashmatthews 6y agoI had an offer in London as a dev in finance at ~300k GBP total comp and a Series B startup offer over 100k GBP and that was more than 4 years ago. Ended up going with a much smaller seed-stage company in Berlin because I couldn't stomach the finance people and liked Berlin.
- moneywoes 6y agoIs it ok if I ask your YOE and stack?
- jashmatthews 6y ago10 years as a professional dev, CS degree, 10 years before that as a hobbyist. Regular meetup speaker, couple of international conference invites. Mainly worked with high traffic Ruby apps but also done production C and Rust. Side interests in VMs and compilers. These positions exist if you're good, experienced and most of all, not a complete asshole.
- wdb 6y ago£300k, how much would that be in base salary?
- jashmatthews 6y agoLess than half. Tbh I found the whole "guaranteed" bonus thing quite confusing. London finance attracts a crowd that I had very little in common with. To be honest I only interviewed to see what it was like. It wasn't for me.
- wdb 6y agoYet to find the first company in London which really offers a guaranteed bonus ️
- lonbigtech 6y agoLondon doesn’t top out at $100k. Neither does Zurich
- LunaSea 6y agoBut cost of living was much more expensive as well. Especially for housing.