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Yeah I'm going to do all that because it's helpful to avoid AWS lock in, especially for a SaaS that wants to make any kind of margins. Companies do this all the

by mrkurt 6y ago

Yeah I'm going to do all that because it's helpful to avoid AWS lock in, especially for a SaaS that wants to make any kind of margins. Companies do this all the time, and I don't think (for the most part) the proprietary AWS services add much value.

scarface74 6y ago
How many man hours are spent trying to avoid lock in and how much would the cost delta have to be between your current cloud provider and a new provider to make a migration make sense? How many fewer employees could you have if you depended on managed services? How much time could your employees spend on creating features that could help you acquire customers or get your current customers to give you more money?
- mrkurt 6y ago
  I feel like you have this a little backwards. Surely AWS has done the work to show the savings from their services vs rolling your own. It's a little silly to just assume proprietary AWS services are an overall cost savings and ask for proof that it's not true. And, most of what you're talking about doesn't really affect margins for a SaaS. Every AWS service hits margins, one time migration costs and even R&D time to build products does not. The marginal cost of using AWS underneath interesting features is very high.
  - scarface74 6y ago
    People cost money. You can buy a lot of services on any of the cloud providers if you can save the fully allocated cost of one employee - say $180K. That’s just looking around in any major city in the US, not west coast salaries. Every dollar you spend on R&D or migrations you have to consider whether that dollar could be better invested somewhere else and whether it adds business value to have the expertise in house or to outsource it. Dropbox and Backblaze for instance decided that storage was a core competency. Dropbox moved away from AWS and backblaze knew from day one not to get on it. On the other hand Netflix went the other way and is now AWS’s largest customer.
scarface74 6y ago
All of that == add four lines of code? Here is the sum total of how much “work” you have to do. const awsServerlessExpress = require('aws-serverless-express') const app =require('./app') const server = awsServerlessExpress.createServer(app) exports.handler = (event, context) => { awsServerlessExpress.proxy(server, event, context) } How much time do you spend babysitting infrastructure and how much money is it making your company or saving your company? How many of your customers care about your valiant efforts at “avoiding lock in”?

by mrkurt 6y ago

scarface74 6y ago

How many man hours are spent trying to avoid lock in and how much would the cost delta have to be between your current cloud provider and a new provider to make a migration make sense? How many fewer employees could you have if you depended on managed services? How much time could your employees spend on creating features that could help you acquire customers or get your current customers to give you more money?

mrkurt 6y ago
I feel like you have this a little backwards. Surely AWS has done the work to show the savings from their services vs rolling your own. It's a little silly to just assume proprietary AWS services are an overall cost savings and ask for proof that it's not true. And, most of what you're talking about doesn't really affect margins for a SaaS. Every AWS service hits margins, one time migration costs and even R&D time to build products does not. The marginal cost of using AWS underneath interesting features is very high.
- scarface74 6y ago
  People cost money. You can buy a lot of services on any of the cloud providers if you can save the fully allocated cost of one employee - say $180K. That’s just looking around in any major city in the US, not west coast salaries. Every dollar you spend on R&D or migrations you have to consider whether that dollar could be better invested somewhere else and whether it adds business value to have the expertise in house or to outsource it. Dropbox and Backblaze for instance decided that storage was a core competency. Dropbox moved away from AWS and backblaze knew from day one not to get on it. On the other hand Netflix went the other way and is now AWS’s largest customer.

scarface74 6y ago

All of that == add four lines of code? Here is the sum total of how much “work” you have to do. const awsServerlessExpress = require('aws-serverless-express') const app =require('./app') const server = awsServerlessExpress.createServer(app) exports.handler = (event, context) => { awsServerlessExpress.proxy(server, event, context) } How much time do you spend babysitting infrastructure and how much money is it making your company or saving your company? How many of your customers care about your valiant efforts at “avoiding lock in”?