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Factory farming big in nature?

dntbnmpls 6y ago
No more than human veganism in nature... No more than industrial farming and globalism. So how about we go back to nature and live a hunter gather lifestyle? Or are you against that because you want to live a selfish and destructive vegan lifestyle just so that you can virtue signal? How about this, go learn a thing about agriculture and how destructive that is to the environment and animals. If you truly care about the environment and animals, I guarantee you that vegans will be your #1 enemy. Good luck.
- jgwil2 6y ago
  Do explain how veganism is so "destructive" to the environment and animals.
  - dntbnmpls 6y ago
    Whenever I do, it gets flagged, but I'll give it another shot. Go learn about farming. It's the most environmentally destructive human activity. Go learn about how much land we would have to destroy in order to feed a terrible vegan diet to humanity. Trillions of animals ( insects, rodents, etc ) are killed to protect vegetation. Not to mention other animals like rabbits, deer, birds, etc that have to be wiped out. After all, you don't want a herd of deer or even elephants trampling on and eating your vegetation. "Which means humans and wildlife are competing for fertile land for production of food and vegetation,” said Kitso Mokaila, Botswana’s minister of environment." https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/man-vs-elephant/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/man-vs-elephant/ Pretty much anywhere you have farms, you have to wipe out the animals to protect the vegetation. Whereas vegetation for livestock can be grown in poor quality land ( nebraska, dakotas, etc ), the crap that vegans eat cannot be grown there. Not only that, the crap that vegans eat - processed nuts, avocados, etc are extremely water expensive. Ideally we'd all be hunter gatherers - pretty much 0 environmental footprint as you eat what mother nature provides. But given the human population that's unrealistic so the next best thing is livestock + vegetation ( omnivore diet ). The absolute worst thing is vegan diet as it is a terrible diet for humans, but it's also devastating for the environment as you'd need find a ridiculous amount of fertile land in warmer climates all over the world to destroy and farm since we can't raise the garbage vegans eat where we grow animal feed. Also, if the world shifted to a vegan diet, then we'd have to get rid of pets since we'd have no source of meat for our cats, dogs, snakes, etc. Vegans think the vegetation they eat drops down from heaven like manna. Nope, not only are trillions of animals killed to farm garbage for vegans, harvesting and processing also kills tons of animals. So much so that every bowl of salad is guaranteed to have many animal parts in them. https://www.livescience.com/55459-fda-acceptable-food-defects.html https://www.livescience.com/55459-fda-acceptable-food-defect... So oddly enough, a lone vegan eating a bowl of salad is eating more animals than a family having steaks for dinner. Also, humans aren't herbivore. Forcing humans to eat a herbivore diets is as wrong as forcing a herbivore to eat a carnivore diet. It's unnatural and deep down evil. But that's why some people support it so passionately I suppose. Vegans, anti-vax, flat earthers, etc are all the same type of people.
    - jgwil2 6y ago
      Why can't we "raise the garbage vegans eat where we grow animal feed?"
      - dntbnmpls 6y ago
        Because the quality of land, climate, water availability isn't conducive to growing avocados, nuts, beans, vegetation, etc. Pretty simple stuff.
        jgwil2 6y ago
        Vegetation? Really? So you're saying that animal feed isn't vegetation? And could you provide some data in your next response please, rather than just unfounded assertions?
        dntbnmpls 6y ago
        > So you're saying that animal feed isn't vegetation? Are you serious? Of course they are vegetation, but hardy vegetation like wheat can grow in a lot of places efficiently with harsh weather. But avocados can't. https://homeguides.sfgate.com/climate-avocado-tree-need-grow-55865.html https://homeguides.sfgate.com/climate-avocado-tree-need-grow... Avocados require stable dry heat and relatively little wind. Good luck trying to find that in the midwest where most of the animal feed are grown. > rather than just unfounded assertions? That different vegetation grows in different environments isn't an unfounded assertion. It's an obvious fact of nature. Only a vegan wouldn't know that. But lets be honest, no amount of facts or data is going to change the mind of a vegan cultist. You just want data/facts just so you can figure out how to lie better or ignore the facts/data next time. Right? Oh yeah, almonds and many other vegan foods are absolutely horrible for the environment. https://www.motherjones.com/food/2014/07/your-almond-habit-sucking-califoirnia-dry/ https://www.motherjones.com/food/2014/07/your-almond-habit-s... I bet you virtue signal about the environment, climate change, etc all the time. The environmental damage and climate change are a result of globalism. Guess which diet is dependent entirely on globalism? That's right the vegan diet. A carnivore and omnivore diet can be sourced locally. A vegan diet cannot be sourced locally. A vegan in alaska or puerto rico or anywhere on earth cannot survive on locally sourced vegan diet. They need to steal vegetation from all over the world to barely survive. Yay for the cult of veganism!

No more than human veganism in nature... No more than industrial farming and globalism. So how about we go back to nature and live a hunter gather lifestyle? Or are you against that because you want to live a selfish and destructive vegan lifestyle just so that you can virtue signal? How about this, go learn a thing about agriculture and how destructive that is to the environment and animals. If you truly care about the environment and animals, I guarantee you that vegans will be your #1 enemy. Good luck.

jgwil2 6y ago
Do explain how veganism is so "destructive" to the environment and animals.
- dntbnmpls 6y ago
  Whenever I do, it gets flagged, but I'll give it another shot. Go learn about farming. It's the most environmentally destructive human activity. Go learn about how much land we would have to destroy in order to feed a terrible vegan diet to humanity. Trillions of animals ( insects, rodents, etc ) are killed to protect vegetation. Not to mention other animals like rabbits, deer, birds, etc that have to be wiped out. After all, you don't want a herd of deer or even elephants trampling on and eating your vegetation. "Which means humans and wildlife are competing for fertile land for production of food and vegetation,” said Kitso Mokaila, Botswana’s minister of environment." https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/man-vs-elephant/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/man-vs-elephant/ Pretty much anywhere you have farms, you have to wipe out the animals to protect the vegetation. Whereas vegetation for livestock can be grown in poor quality land ( nebraska, dakotas, etc ), the crap that vegans eat cannot be grown there. Not only that, the crap that vegans eat - processed nuts, avocados, etc are extremely water expensive. Ideally we'd all be hunter gatherers - pretty much 0 environmental footprint as you eat what mother nature provides. But given the human population that's unrealistic so the next best thing is livestock + vegetation ( omnivore diet ). The absolute worst thing is vegan diet as it is a terrible diet for humans, but it's also devastating for the environment as you'd need find a ridiculous amount of fertile land in warmer climates all over the world to destroy and farm since we can't raise the garbage vegans eat where we grow animal feed. Also, if the world shifted to a vegan diet, then we'd have to get rid of pets since we'd have no source of meat for our cats, dogs, snakes, etc. Vegans think the vegetation they eat drops down from heaven like manna. Nope, not only are trillions of animals killed to farm garbage for vegans, harvesting and processing also kills tons of animals. So much so that every bowl of salad is guaranteed to have many animal parts in them. https://www.livescience.com/55459-fda-acceptable-food-defects.html https://www.livescience.com/55459-fda-acceptable-food-defect... So oddly enough, a lone vegan eating a bowl of salad is eating more animals than a family having steaks for dinner. Also, humans aren't herbivore. Forcing humans to eat a herbivore diets is as wrong as forcing a herbivore to eat a carnivore diet. It's unnatural and deep down evil. But that's why some people support it so passionately I suppose. Vegans, anti-vax, flat earthers, etc are all the same type of people.
  - jgwil2 6y ago
    Why can't we "raise the garbage vegans eat where we grow animal feed?"
    - dntbnmpls 6y ago
      Because the quality of land, climate, water availability isn't conducive to growing avocados, nuts, beans, vegetation, etc. Pretty simple stuff.
      - jgwil2 6y ago
        Vegetation? Really? So you're saying that animal feed isn't vegetation? And could you provide some data in your next response please, rather than just unfounded assertions?
        dntbnmpls 6y ago
        > So you're saying that animal feed isn't vegetation? Are you serious? Of course they are vegetation, but hardy vegetation like wheat can grow in a lot of places efficiently with harsh weather. But avocados can't. https://homeguides.sfgate.com/climate-avocado-tree-need-grow-55865.html https://homeguides.sfgate.com/climate-avocado-tree-need-grow... Avocados require stable dry heat and relatively little wind. Good luck trying to find that in the midwest where most of the animal feed are grown. > rather than just unfounded assertions? That different vegetation grows in different environments isn't an unfounded assertion. It's an obvious fact of nature. Only a vegan wouldn't know that. But lets be honest, no amount of facts or data is going to change the mind of a vegan cultist. You just want data/facts just so you can figure out how to lie better or ignore the facts/data next time. Right? Oh yeah, almonds and many other vegan foods are absolutely horrible for the environment. https://www.motherjones.com/food/2014/07/your-almond-habit-sucking-califoirnia-dry/ https://www.motherjones.com/food/2014/07/your-almond-habit-s... I bet you virtue signal about the environment, climate change, etc all the time. The environmental damage and climate change are a result of globalism. Guess which diet is dependent entirely on globalism? That's right the vegan diet. A carnivore and omnivore diet can be sourced locally. A vegan diet cannot be sourced locally. A vegan in alaska or puerto rico or anywhere on earth cannot survive on locally sourced vegan diet. They need to steal vegetation from all over the world to barely survive. Yay for the cult of veganism!