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This page doesn't count animals killed by other (non-human) animals. Mother nature is also cruel. I don't think that humans are the biggest animal killers. A si

This page doesn't count animals killed by other (non-human) animals. Mother nature is also cruel. I don't think that humans are the biggest animal killers. A single humpback whale likely kills millions of krill every day. One could even argue that eating whale meat is ethical because it saves millions of lives. Also it should be noted that most of these farm animals would never have been alive if humans did not breed them in the first place so we shouldn't see death as necessarily a bad thing. We give them life and then we take it away. Every creature dies eventually - So do we. I think the focus of animal protection movements should be based more on the ethical treatment of animals. It's important to make sure that all animals have the opportunity of a decent life before they are slaughtered; especially have room to move around in an open area with access to natural light.

chc 6y ago
I'd rate it as pretty likely that humans are the biggest animal killers. Most carnivores are supply-limited, whereas humans create billions of animals every year for the express purpose of killing them because there wouldn't be enough in the world otherwise.
dntbnmpls 6y ago
> This page doesn't count animals killed by other (non-human) animals. Because it's a silly vegan propaganda page by wealthy privileged virtue signaling crowd without any grasp on reality. Countless quadrillions of animals are killed every year in nature. Countless billions of animals are killed every year to clear land and protect vegetation from insects, worms, rodents, etc. Countless billions of animals are killed to build homes that these privileged people live in. Not to mention the countless billions of animals killed by pet cats and countless billions of animals killed to feed our pets ( cats, dogs, snakes, etc ).
- stanski 6y ago
  Factory farming big in nature?
  - dntbnmpls 6y ago
    No more than human veganism in nature... No more than industrial farming and globalism. So how about we go back to nature and live a hunter gather lifestyle? Or are you against that because you want to live a selfish and destructive vegan lifestyle just so that you can virtue signal? How about this, go learn a thing about agriculture and how destructive that is to the environment and animals. If you truly care about the environment and animals, I guarantee you that vegans will be your #1 enemy. Good luck.
    - jgwil2 6y ago
      Do explain how veganism is so "destructive" to the environment and animals.
      - dntbnmpls 6y ago
        Whenever I do, it gets flagged, but I'll give it another shot. Go learn about farming. It's the most environmentally destructive human activity. Go learn about how much land we would have to destroy in order to feed a terrible vegan diet to humanity. Trillions of animals ( insects, rodents, etc ) are killed to protect vegetation. Not to mention other animals like rabbits, deer, birds, etc that have to be wiped out. After all, you don't want a herd of deer or even elephants trampling on and eating your vegetation. "Which means humans and wildlife are competing for fertile land for production of food and vegetation,” said Kitso Mokaila, Botswana’s minister of environment." https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/man-vs-elephant/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/man-vs-elephant/ Pretty much anywhere you have farms, you have to wipe out the animals to protect the vegetation. Whereas vegetation for livestock can be grown in poor quality land ( nebraska, dakotas, etc ), the crap that vegans eat cannot be grown there. Not only that, the crap that vegans eat - processed nuts, avocados, etc are extremely water expensive. Ideally we'd all be hunter gatherers - pretty much 0 environmental footprint as you eat what mother nature provides. But given the human population that's unrealistic so the next best thing is livestock + vegetation ( omnivore diet ). The absolute worst thing is vegan diet as it is a terrible diet for humans, but it's also devastating for the environment as you'd need find a ridiculous amount of fertile land in warmer climates all over the world to destroy and farm since we can't raise the garbage vegans eat where we grow animal feed. Also, if the world shifted to a vegan diet, then we'd have to get rid of pets since we'd have no source of meat for our cats, dogs, snakes, etc. Vegans think the vegetation they eat drops down from heaven like manna. Nope, not only are trillions of animals killed to farm garbage for vegans, harvesting and processing also kills tons of animals. So much so that every bowl of salad is guaranteed to have many animal parts in them. https://www.livescience.com/55459-fda-acceptable-food-defects.html https://www.livescience.com/55459-fda-acceptable-food-defect... So oddly enough, a lone vegan eating a bowl of salad is eating more animals than a family having steaks for dinner. Also, humans aren't herbivore. Forcing humans to eat a herbivore diets is as wrong as forcing a herbivore to eat a carnivore diet. It's unnatural and deep down evil. But that's why some people support it so passionately I suppose. Vegans, anti-vax, flat earthers, etc are all the same type of people.

chc 6y ago

I'd rate it as pretty likely that humans are the biggest animal killers. Most carnivores are supply-limited, whereas humans create billions of animals every year for the express purpose of killing them because there wouldn't be enough in the world otherwise.

dntbnmpls 6y ago

> This page doesn't count animals killed by other (non-human) animals. Because it's a silly vegan propaganda page by wealthy privileged virtue signaling crowd without any grasp on reality. Countless quadrillions of animals are killed every year in nature. Countless billions of animals are killed every year to clear land and protect vegetation from insects, worms, rodents, etc. Countless billions of animals are killed to build homes that these privileged people live in. Not to mention the countless billions of animals killed by pet cats and countless billions of animals killed to feed our pets ( cats, dogs, snakes, etc ).

stanski 6y ago
Factory farming big in nature?
- dntbnmpls 6y ago
  No more than human veganism in nature... No more than industrial farming and globalism. So how about we go back to nature and live a hunter gather lifestyle? Or are you against that because you want to live a selfish and destructive vegan lifestyle just so that you can virtue signal? How about this, go learn a thing about agriculture and how destructive that is to the environment and animals. If you truly care about the environment and animals, I guarantee you that vegans will be your #1 enemy. Good luck.
  - jgwil2 6y ago
    Do explain how veganism is so "destructive" to the environment and animals.
    - dntbnmpls 6y ago
      Whenever I do, it gets flagged, but I'll give it another shot. Go learn about farming. It's the most environmentally destructive human activity. Go learn about how much land we would have to destroy in order to feed a terrible vegan diet to humanity. Trillions of animals ( insects, rodents, etc ) are killed to protect vegetation. Not to mention other animals like rabbits, deer, birds, etc that have to be wiped out. After all, you don't want a herd of deer or even elephants trampling on and eating your vegetation. "Which means humans and wildlife are competing for fertile land for production of food and vegetation,” said Kitso Mokaila, Botswana’s minister of environment." https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/man-vs-elephant/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/man-vs-elephant/ Pretty much anywhere you have farms, you have to wipe out the animals to protect the vegetation. Whereas vegetation for livestock can be grown in poor quality land ( nebraska, dakotas, etc ), the crap that vegans eat cannot be grown there. Not only that, the crap that vegans eat - processed nuts, avocados, etc are extremely water expensive. Ideally we'd all be hunter gatherers - pretty much 0 environmental footprint as you eat what mother nature provides. But given the human population that's unrealistic so the next best thing is livestock + vegetation ( omnivore diet ). The absolute worst thing is vegan diet as it is a terrible diet for humans, but it's also devastating for the environment as you'd need find a ridiculous amount of fertile land in warmer climates all over the world to destroy and farm since we can't raise the garbage vegans eat where we grow animal feed. Also, if the world shifted to a vegan diet, then we'd have to get rid of pets since we'd have no source of meat for our cats, dogs, snakes, etc. Vegans think the vegetation they eat drops down from heaven like manna. Nope, not only are trillions of animals killed to farm garbage for vegans, harvesting and processing also kills tons of animals. So much so that every bowl of salad is guaranteed to have many animal parts in them. https://www.livescience.com/55459-fda-acceptable-food-defects.html https://www.livescience.com/55459-fda-acceptable-food-defect... So oddly enough, a lone vegan eating a bowl of salad is eating more animals than a family having steaks for dinner. Also, humans aren't herbivore. Forcing humans to eat a herbivore diets is as wrong as forcing a herbivore to eat a carnivore diet. It's unnatural and deep down evil. But that's why some people support it so passionately I suppose. Vegans, anti-vax, flat earthers, etc are all the same type of people.