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As a European, that isn't great. (options excepted). Usually I thought you get 14 weeks plus a month for every year of service, not a week.

by rb808 6y ago

conanbatt 6y ago
And typically much higher unemployment numbers
- r00fus 6y ago
  Not these days. Europe is doing much better than the US in terms of unemployment - wonder why?
  - rubber_duck 6y ago
    As a European I wouldn't be too fast to gloat - the EU is trying to keep jobs on hold but it's not clear to me what will come out of this - it seems like the restrictions are going to be here for a long time and keeping businesses afloat artificially could end up blocking restructuring. My biggest concern right now is that migration restrictions are going to kill seasonal manual labor migration and government unemployment subsidies will prevent local population from taking up that work - we could end up with major issues in things like crop harvesting.
    - 9HZZRfNlpR 6y ago
      Where is that? Many countries are already taking seasonal workers with 14 day quarantine.
  - shuckles 6y ago
    The USA's unemployment rate in March 2020 (4.4%) was lower than the EU's unemployment rate in January 2020 (6.2%) according to a very casual Google search. I'm curious how you're drawing this. Are you saying the EU has lower unemployment today than it did in January?
    - r00fus 6y ago
      It's amusing you post pre-COVID numbers for both regions. Best comparison would be April numbers for both EU and US. The US is around 20% now [1]. The US short-term unemployment numbers are way up, because the US didn't do enough to help small businesses weather the storm, so they laid off their workforce. In contrast the EU supported their businesses and workers and consequently people are taking leave instead of unemployment. [1] https://www.marketwatch.com/story/millions-of-lost-jobs-may-push-unemployment-rate-to-highest-since-great-depression-2020-05-02 https://www.marketwatch.com/story/millions-of-lost-jobs-may-...
      - conanbatt 6y ago
        This is an accounting gimmick. The US has clearer unemployment conditions and also has given relief. In countries in the EU (and it varies a lot) you would see they are still employed, but not working and taking a paycut. That's really the same as unemployed. In any case my comment was about the meaning of having severance in contrast to having a job, not about crisis handling.
      - shuckles 6y ago
        If you meant "these days" as specifically in response to the COVID-19 crisis, we don't have basis for a useful comparison. As another commenter pointed out, the US is delivering economic relief primarily in the form of expanded unemployment coverage whereas Europe is taking a myriad of business support measures. Whether one is better than the other is not obvious yet it's effectively what unemployment numbers would reflect.
dan-robertson 6y ago
I feel like this is a bit of a sweeping generalisation. Certainly many countries in Europe would not give this. And others would have maximums which are lower than typical Airbnb pay.
missedthecue 6y ago
But your pay would be $50k p.a. rather than $175k
- herdodoodo 6y ago
  yes and i wouldn't have to live in a "country" run by a fascist cheeto
- acituan 6y ago
  But your healthcare would be very cheap, if not free, wouldn't be tied to your employment; education cost would be minuscule compared to US; kids would benefit from the first two factors too; minimum annual vacation would be 4 weeks, mandated by law. Sticker price doesn't tell the whole story. I'm not saying that the total benefit is lower, but the cost of earning that $175k is definitely much higher than the cost of that $50k.
  - fourmyle 6y ago
    Health care is about $500 a month for someone in their 30s in the USA who is healthy. That doesn’t make up $125k.
    - andruby 6y ago
      Sending your kids to school all the way up including university costs about ~€10K per kid in Europe. How much would it cost in the US? ~$150K? I think that would make up another large chunk of price difference. And: it’s available for every parent. Not just those in nice tech jobs.
      - bluecmd 6y ago
        That Europe cost seems high, tbh. In the Nordics for example I'm pretty sure everything is paid for.
        2rsf 6y ago
nicbou 6y ago
Not to mention that losing health insurance coverage wouldn't be a concern.

As a European, that isn't great. (options excepted). Usually I thought you get 14 weeks plus a month for every year of service, not a week.

by rb808 6y ago

As a European, that isn't great. (options excepted). Usually I thought you get 14 weeks plus a month for every year of service, not a week.

conanbatt 6y ago

And typically much higher unemployment numbers

r00fus 6y ago
Not these days. Europe is doing much better than the US in terms of unemployment - wonder why?
- rubber_duck 6y ago
  As a European I wouldn't be too fast to gloat - the EU is trying to keep jobs on hold but it's not clear to me what will come out of this - it seems like the restrictions are going to be here for a long time and keeping businesses afloat artificially could end up blocking restructuring. My biggest concern right now is that migration restrictions are going to kill seasonal manual labor migration and government unemployment subsidies will prevent local population from taking up that work - we could end up with major issues in things like crop harvesting.
  - 9HZZRfNlpR 6y ago
    Where is that? Many countries are already taking seasonal workers with 14 day quarantine.
- shuckles 6y ago
  The USA's unemployment rate in March 2020 (4.4%) was lower than the EU's unemployment rate in January 2020 (6.2%) according to a very casual Google search. I'm curious how you're drawing this. Are you saying the EU has lower unemployment today than it did in January?
  - r00fus 6y ago
    It's amusing you post pre-COVID numbers for both regions. Best comparison would be April numbers for both EU and US. The US is around 20% now [1]. The US short-term unemployment numbers are way up, because the US didn't do enough to help small businesses weather the storm, so they laid off their workforce. In contrast the EU supported their businesses and workers and consequently people are taking leave instead of unemployment. [1] https://www.marketwatch.com/story/millions-of-lost-jobs-may-push-unemployment-rate-to-highest-since-great-depression-2020-05-02 https://www.marketwatch.com/story/millions-of-lost-jobs-may-...
    - conanbatt 6y ago
      This is an accounting gimmick. The US has clearer unemployment conditions and also has given relief. In countries in the EU (and it varies a lot) you would see they are still employed, but not working and taking a paycut. That's really the same as unemployed. In any case my comment was about the meaning of having severance in contrast to having a job, not about crisis handling.
    - shuckles 6y ago
      If you meant "these days" as specifically in response to the COVID-19 crisis, we don't have basis for a useful comparison. As another commenter pointed out, the US is delivering economic relief primarily in the form of expanded unemployment coverage whereas Europe is taking a myriad of business support measures. Whether one is better than the other is not obvious yet it's effectively what unemployment numbers would reflect.

dan-robertson 6y ago

I feel like this is a bit of a sweeping generalisation. Certainly many countries in Europe would not give this. And others would have maximums which are lower than typical Airbnb pay.

missedthecue 6y ago

But your pay would be $50k p.a. rather than $175k

herdodoodo 6y ago
yes and i wouldn't have to live in a "country" run by a fascist cheeto
acituan 6y ago
But your healthcare would be very cheap, if not free, wouldn't be tied to your employment; education cost would be minuscule compared to US; kids would benefit from the first two factors too; minimum annual vacation would be 4 weeks, mandated by law. Sticker price doesn't tell the whole story. I'm not saying that the total benefit is lower, but the cost of earning that $175k is definitely much higher than the cost of that $50k.
- fourmyle 6y ago
  Health care is about $500 a month for someone in their 30s in the USA who is healthy. That doesn’t make up $125k.
  - andruby 6y ago
    Sending your kids to school all the way up including university costs about ~€10K per kid in Europe. How much would it cost in the US? ~$150K? I think that would make up another large chunk of price difference. And: it’s available for every parent. Not just those in nice tech jobs.
    - bluecmd 6y ago
      That Europe cost seems high, tbh. In the Nordics for example I'm pretty sure everything is paid for.
      - 2rsf 6y ago

nicbou 6y ago

Not to mention that losing health insurance coverage wouldn't be a concern.