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Actually, one of the guiding and most famous principles of the working class movement since the mid 19th century in Europe was/is: "That the emancipation of the
by smoe 6y ago
Actually, one of the guiding and most famous principles of the working class movement since the mid 19th century
in Europe was/is: "That the emancipation of the working classes must be conquered by the working classes themselves."
So I wouldn't just discard it as an excuse to not do anything. I'm not super well versed in the details, but I think the main point was, that only self-emancipation really frees one from foreign rule and oppression.
That does not mean, that you can't do anything, and they have do everything themselves. But you have to be aware that your view of what is best for them, might differ from their view of what is best. While I agree that a tech worker strike and such is more impactful, I would consider not just asking the typical people that frequent hacker news how to help warehouse workers, but also, you know, warehouse workers.
Edit: for another example, I might be perfectly willing to put my job on the line for such a cause. But with my actions do I endanger someone else's job who can not afford losing it? If so I should not just storm ahead without coordination.
- slg 6y agoTo be clear, I am not saying the warehouse workers should not be involved. I said action doesn't have to originate with them. They deserve a seat at the bargaining table and other groups shouldn't resort to paternalism. However warehouse workers shouldn't be the only people with any responsibility to get everyone to the bargaining table and they certainly aren't the only group who can speed up that process.
- smoe 6y agoI think we completely agree. Discussion like this, just reminded me that the "left" worldwide has somehow managed to loose huge swaths or the entire support of the working class in the last decades and are now often considered ivory tower elitists. I think it is good to remind oneself, that if you want to help, you should sit down and listen to the people you want to help, and make sure that your action can actually have tangible impact and are not just to make yourself feel better.