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I made a joke once, that in the future captchas would be so difficult that only bots are able to get in.

by Geee 6y ago

hinkley 6y ago
It's the saddest joke ever. Distorted text got pretty bad for a while there. We've crossed that threshold a couple of times. I think that's why we keep getting new captchas.
Apocryphon 6y ago
That joke in video form: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqnXp6Saa8Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqnXp6Saa8Y
9nGQluzmnq3M 6y ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsF7enQY8uI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsF7enQY8uI
jerzyt 6y ago
I've been wondering if the captchas are Google's way to get cheap image classification by humans.
- erik_seaberg 6y ago
  Isn't this why Google Voice offered speech recognition, with a UI to send corrections to them? There's also the "please select all squares that contain Sarah Connor" meme.
- Crosseye_Jack 6y ago
  That is exactly what it is. EDIT: From Google's own reCAPTCHA website - https://www.google.com/recaptcha/intro/v3.html#the-recaptcha-advantage https://www.google.com/recaptcha/intro/v3.html#the-recaptcha... > Hundreds of millions of CAPTCHAs are solved by people every day. reCAPTCHA makes positive use of this human effort by channeling the time spent solving CAPTCHAs into annotating images and building machine learning datasets. This in turn helps improve maps and solve hard AI problems.
  - pelliphant 6y ago
    Thnx. When people talk about captchas I usually reply something about how google is using them for machine learning, and suprisingly often people shrug it off as a conspiracy-theory. Why have I never just done what you did, linked to google stating that this is what it is in plain text....
- jki275 6y ago
  Of course they are!
- flashdance 6y ago
  That's exactly what it is. If you recall, these image based captchas were originally in 2007 for digitizing books. [1] In 2012, Google started using captchas to identify house numbers from google street view. [2] Now, users are identifying cars, bikes, traffic lights, and crosswalks most of the time. While Google/Alphabet has been mum on what specifically they're using the data for, it is speculated by engineers at competing firms that they are using this data to help Alphabet's subsidiary, Waymo, with its self-driving car program. [3] This data is either used as training data or to validate outputs that were already classified by their system. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReCAPTCHA https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReCAPTCHA [2] https://techcrunch.com/2012/03/29/google-now-using-recaptcha-to-decode-street-view-addresses/ https://techcrunch.com/2012/03/29/google-now-using-recaptcha... [3] https://www.ceros.com/originals/recaptcha-waymo-future-of-self-driving-cars/ https://www.ceros.com/originals/recaptcha-waymo-future-of-se...
  - taneq 6y ago
    > Now, users are identifying cars, bikes, traffic lights, and crosswalks most of the time. I got umbrellas the other day.
    - TheSpiceIsLife 6y ago
      If you are a self driving car you definitely do not want to misclassify an umbrella as they almost never get about independently.
      - taneq 6y ago
        I have serious, serious doubts about the whole approach of "identify known objects in a camera feed so you can try not to hit them". I don't know what the current approaches are but there needs to be some kind of subsumption setup where if you don't recognize an object, at the very least you assume it's a stationary solid object and you don't hit it. It doesn't matter if your classifier says it's a brick, or a grandma, or a hibiscus, or (unknown). Unless you've positively identified it as something that's safe to hit (say, a plastic bag wafting along in the breeze) then don't hit it. If you do have an identification then you can layer behaviours on top of this (eg. Is it a person? They usually walk forward or in the direction they're looking, so anticipate this.) But the default behaviour cannot be "dunno what that is so I'll ignore it". "Don't hit the thing" is the most basic, fundamental behaviour for a self driving vehicle.
- jerzyt 6y ago
  I'm not replying to myself but to all who posted to confirm my suspicion. I'm amazed that I've been so blind to it. It's so blatant. And now it makes sense how many of the challenges are: traffic lights, school buses, etc.
rypskar 6y ago
I remember some sites had a captcha where you had to count something, maybe it was kittens. Think I managed to solve them 1/3 of the time
- noisem4ker 6y ago
  RapidShare.
wodenokoto 6y ago
Reminds me of this joke from Futurama, where a Robot has a captcha tattooed on his arm. Comic version: https://i.redd.it/dnosraioogm31.jpg https://i.redd.it/dnosraioogm31.jpg

I made a joke once, that in the future captchas would be so difficult that only bots are able to get in.

by Geee 6y ago

I made a joke once, that in the future captchas would be so difficult that only bots are able to get in.

It's the saddest joke ever. Distorted text got pretty bad for a while there. We've crossed that threshold a couple of times. I think that's why we keep getting new captchas.

Apocryphon 6y ago

That joke in video form: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqnXp6Saa8Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqnXp6Saa8Y

9nGQluzmnq3M 6y ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsF7enQY8uI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsF7enQY8uI

jerzyt 6y ago

I've been wondering if the captchas are Google's way to get cheap image classification by humans.

erik_seaberg 6y ago
Isn't this why Google Voice offered speech recognition, with a UI to send corrections to them? There's also the "please select all squares that contain Sarah Connor" meme.
Crosseye_Jack 6y ago
That is exactly what it is. EDIT: From Google's own reCAPTCHA website - https://www.google.com/recaptcha/intro/v3.html#the-recaptcha-advantage https://www.google.com/recaptcha/intro/v3.html#the-recaptcha... > Hundreds of millions of CAPTCHAs are solved by people every day. reCAPTCHA makes positive use of this human effort by channeling the time spent solving CAPTCHAs into annotating images and building machine learning datasets. This in turn helps improve maps and solve hard AI problems.
- pelliphant 6y ago
  Thnx. When people talk about captchas I usually reply something about how google is using them for machine learning, and suprisingly often people shrug it off as a conspiracy-theory. Why have I never just done what you did, linked to google stating that this is what it is in plain text....
jki275 6y ago
Of course they are!
flashdance 6y ago
That's exactly what it is. If you recall, these image based captchas were originally in 2007 for digitizing books. [1] In 2012, Google started using captchas to identify house numbers from google street view. [2] Now, users are identifying cars, bikes, traffic lights, and crosswalks most of the time. While Google/Alphabet has been mum on what specifically they're using the data for, it is speculated by engineers at competing firms that they are using this data to help Alphabet's subsidiary, Waymo, with its self-driving car program. [3] This data is either used as training data or to validate outputs that were already classified by their system. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReCAPTCHA https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReCAPTCHA [2] https://techcrunch.com/2012/03/29/google-now-using-recaptcha-to-decode-street-view-addresses/ https://techcrunch.com/2012/03/29/google-now-using-recaptcha... [3] https://www.ceros.com/originals/recaptcha-waymo-future-of-self-driving-cars/ https://www.ceros.com/originals/recaptcha-waymo-future-of-se...
- taneq 6y ago
  > Now, users are identifying cars, bikes, traffic lights, and crosswalks most of the time. I got umbrellas the other day.
  - TheSpiceIsLife 6y ago
    If you are a self driving car you definitely do not want to misclassify an umbrella as they almost never get about independently.
    - taneq 6y ago
      I have serious, serious doubts about the whole approach of "identify known objects in a camera feed so you can try not to hit them". I don't know what the current approaches are but there needs to be some kind of subsumption setup where if you don't recognize an object, at the very least you assume it's a stationary solid object and you don't hit it. It doesn't matter if your classifier says it's a brick, or a grandma, or a hibiscus, or (unknown). Unless you've positively identified it as something that's safe to hit (say, a plastic bag wafting along in the breeze) then don't hit it. If you do have an identification then you can layer behaviours on top of this (eg. Is it a person? They usually walk forward or in the direction they're looking, so anticipate this.) But the default behaviour cannot be "dunno what that is so I'll ignore it". "Don't hit the thing" is the most basic, fundamental behaviour for a self driving vehicle.
jerzyt 6y ago
I'm not replying to myself but to all who posted to confirm my suspicion. I'm amazed that I've been so blind to it. It's so blatant. And now it makes sense how many of the challenges are: traffic lights, school buses, etc.

rypskar 6y ago

I remember some sites had a captcha where you had to count something, maybe it was kittens. Think I managed to solve them 1/3 of the time

noisem4ker 6y ago
RapidShare.

wodenokoto 6y ago

Reminds me of this joke from Futurama, where a Robot has a captcha tattooed on his arm. Comic version: https://i.redd.it/dnosraioogm31.jpg https://i.redd.it/dnosraioogm31.jpg