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How do you propose to solve said drug addiction and homeless lifestyle?

booboolayla 7y ago
I say we let them continue "thriving" just like we did for decades. Left wing "activists" keep their steady income so they can continue pretending to solve problems, the homeless will be happy too. As for tax payers, we can scare them with Trump and republicans so they keep voting for us. What do you say? Sounds like a win-win-win to me.
fosk 7y ago
Well for starters, not allowing open air drug dealing and arresting illegal drug dealers in the streets. Cooperating with ICE, and so on. Starting to take action against homeless that do refuse housing because they enjoy the homeless lifestyle, which in turn will make it less attractive for non-native homeless to come to San Francisco.
- renewiltord 7y ago
  Cooperating with ICE to send these people back to America where they come from? My, my, San Francisco’s atavistic parochialism is really something but calling ones fellow Americans illegal immigrants. That’s good.
  - fosk 7y ago
    If there is no housing available, then why are illegal immigrants tolerated which would arguably make the problem worse? It makes no sense.
    - renewiltord 7y ago
      Because no one can demonstrate it makes an appreciable impact, and the cost is that we get ghettos where no one will report crime. So we don’t do it.
      - fosk 7y ago
        So - as a result of your logic - you suggest that we allow crime and illegal aliens? We know it does make an impact because the police department regularly arrests them (since they cause negativities in the community) and regularly the courts release them so that they can go back to the same street corner to keep selling death. San Francisco truly is a law-less place.
        aaomidi 7y ago
        Applying "illegal" to someone who is in your country without __papers please__, is just so astonishing to me. Why on earth do you give a shit who lives where in the world? I've immigrated to the US, legally, gone through all the paperwork and expenses. I don't give a fuck if "illegal" immigrants exist. I will continue to advocate for them and vote for policies that keep them safe.
        fosk 7y ago
        Illegal immigrants do not have lawful ways to find a job. They will either get abused in one way or another, or they will start looking at illegal activities to survive (ie, drug dealing). Encouraging illegal immigration - like you are suggesting by enabling them to come to San Francisco - not only is dangerous for the community but it is first and foremost dangerous for those people who come here thinking it's paradise on earth and end up being taken advantage of. You are irresponsible. There are reasons why there are lawful ways to immigrate, it is not a game.
        aaomidi 7y ago
        Maybe then make it legal for them to find a job?
        renewiltord 7y ago
        You get rid of illegal immigrants on the street and you won't move the needle on crime. Listen, I'm not interested in you blowing my money on vanity projects.
  - aaomidi 7y ago
    I knew these comments are racist dog whistles. It's so sad how San Francisco went from the cradle of counter culture to...this.
eanzenberg 7y ago
Outlaw street-level drug use.
- kube-system 7y ago
  I guess prisoners technically aren't homeless.
- aaomidi 7y ago
  And how does that help? You're just sending anyone undesirable to prison? How about, and this is a wild idea, we just require housing to be a natural right and we give people that?
  - ueueshitashita 7y ago
    > we just require housing to be a natural right and we give people that? Who is "we" in this context?
    - aaomidi 7y ago
      People who realize housing people is cheaper than jailing them.
      - eanzenberg 7y ago
        How is it in any way cheaper. I mean yes, if you ship people to middle america it will be. But touting a "right" to housing in SF is preposterous, at $1000 / sq ft (and will only go up with more demand).
        kube-system 7y ago
        Jails are more expensive to construct, are staffed, and also take up space like other forms of real estate.
      - ueueshitashita 7y ago
        What is stopping the group of people who realize this from housing people?
thrownaway954 7y ago
give them the compassion and support that any one of us deserves as human beings. if they are mental ill, then get them on the medication they need. if they want a job, give them one. if they are on drugs, get them into a program like NA and give them the medication to combat the withdrawl. everyone deserves the help the desire. there is no reason why we should putting each other down.
- ueueshitashita 7y ago
  > if they are mental ill, then get them on the medication they need. What if they don't want to be on medication? > if they are on drugs, get them into a program like NA and give them the medication to combat the withdrawl. What if they have no interest in doing that?
  - asdff 7y ago
    Right now, nothing. If you build enough shelter space, by law, you no longer can make these decisions. If there is enough shelter space to house the homeless population, the choices become go to the shelter or go to jail. This is why we need to build more shelters as soon as possible.
  - thrownaway954 7y ago
    really... you're gonna play the "what if" game? i thought we all had a higher intellect than that on this site... apparently i was wrong.
- einpoklum 7y ago
  Agree with you generally, but NA is a religious missionary program, where the treatment/process involves worship or reverence of supernatural entities (a god / higher power).
  - thrownaway954 7y ago
    I'm in NA... it's not a religious program and you don't have to believe in god or a higher power. all of that crap is suggested. it's a fellowship, nothing more, nothing less. you have someone that you can talk that understands first hand what you are going through when you have cravings. that's all it is... support when you want it. everything is optional.
einpoklum 7y ago
Homelessness is not a "lifestyle", and it is quite rude of you to say that. Also, in the US, a great amount of social resources are expended - albeit often indirectly or inadvertantly - to _encourage_ drug addiction. Aim for the social institutions that make the US the highest developed country in terms of, say, opiate use: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_prevalence_of_opiates_use https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_prevalenc... (second highest if we consider Russia developed rather than developing)

I say we let them continue "thriving" just like we did for decades. Left wing "activists" keep their steady income so they can continue pretending to solve problems, the homeless will be happy too. As for tax payers, we can scare them with Trump and republicans so they keep voting for us. What do you say? Sounds like a win-win-win to me.

fosk 7y ago

Well for starters, not allowing open air drug dealing and arresting illegal drug dealers in the streets. Cooperating with ICE, and so on. Starting to take action against homeless that do refuse housing because they enjoy the homeless lifestyle, which in turn will make it less attractive for non-native homeless to come to San Francisco.

renewiltord 7y ago
Cooperating with ICE to send these people back to America where they come from? My, my, San Francisco’s atavistic parochialism is really something but calling ones fellow Americans illegal immigrants. That’s good.
- fosk 7y ago
  If there is no housing available, then why are illegal immigrants tolerated which would arguably make the problem worse? It makes no sense.
  - renewiltord 7y ago
    Because no one can demonstrate it makes an appreciable impact, and the cost is that we get ghettos where no one will report crime. So we don’t do it.
    - fosk 7y ago
      So - as a result of your logic - you suggest that we allow crime and illegal aliens? We know it does make an impact because the police department regularly arrests them (since they cause negativities in the community) and regularly the courts release them so that they can go back to the same street corner to keep selling death. San Francisco truly is a law-less place.
      - aaomidi 7y ago
        Applying "illegal" to someone who is in your country without __papers please__, is just so astonishing to me. Why on earth do you give a shit who lives where in the world? I've immigrated to the US, legally, gone through all the paperwork and expenses. I don't give a fuck if "illegal" immigrants exist. I will continue to advocate for them and vote for policies that keep them safe.
        fosk 7y ago
        Illegal immigrants do not have lawful ways to find a job. They will either get abused in one way or another, or they will start looking at illegal activities to survive (ie, drug dealing). Encouraging illegal immigration - like you are suggesting by enabling them to come to San Francisco - not only is dangerous for the community but it is first and foremost dangerous for those people who come here thinking it's paradise on earth and end up being taken advantage of. You are irresponsible. There are reasons why there are lawful ways to immigrate, it is not a game.
        aaomidi 7y ago
        Maybe then make it legal for them to find a job?
      - renewiltord 7y ago
        You get rid of illegal immigrants on the street and you won't move the needle on crime. Listen, I'm not interested in you blowing my money on vanity projects.
- aaomidi 7y ago
  I knew these comments are racist dog whistles. It's so sad how San Francisco went from the cradle of counter culture to...this.

eanzenberg 7y ago

Outlaw street-level drug use.

kube-system 7y ago
I guess prisoners technically aren't homeless.
aaomidi 7y ago
And how does that help? You're just sending anyone undesirable to prison? How about, and this is a wild idea, we just require housing to be a natural right and we give people that?
- ueueshitashita 7y ago
  > we just require housing to be a natural right and we give people that? Who is "we" in this context?
  - aaomidi 7y ago
    People who realize housing people is cheaper than jailing them.
    - eanzenberg 7y ago
      How is it in any way cheaper. I mean yes, if you ship people to middle america it will be. But touting a "right" to housing in SF is preposterous, at $1000 / sq ft (and will only go up with more demand).
      - kube-system 7y ago
        Jails are more expensive to construct, are staffed, and also take up space like other forms of real estate.
    - ueueshitashita 7y ago
      What is stopping the group of people who realize this from housing people?

thrownaway954 7y ago

give them the compassion and support that any one of us deserves as human beings. if they are mental ill, then get them on the medication they need. if they want a job, give them one. if they are on drugs, get them into a program like NA and give them the medication to combat the withdrawl. everyone deserves the help the desire. there is no reason why we should putting each other down.

ueueshitashita 7y ago
> if they are mental ill, then get them on the medication they need. What if they don't want to be on medication? > if they are on drugs, get them into a program like NA and give them the medication to combat the withdrawl. What if they have no interest in doing that?
- asdff 7y ago
  Right now, nothing. If you build enough shelter space, by law, you no longer can make these decisions. If there is enough shelter space to house the homeless population, the choices become go to the shelter or go to jail. This is why we need to build more shelters as soon as possible.
- thrownaway954 7y ago
  really... you're gonna play the "what if" game? i thought we all had a higher intellect than that on this site... apparently i was wrong.
einpoklum 7y ago
Agree with you generally, but NA is a religious missionary program, where the treatment/process involves worship or reverence of supernatural entities (a god / higher power).
- thrownaway954 7y ago
  I'm in NA... it's not a religious program and you don't have to believe in god or a higher power. all of that crap is suggested. it's a fellowship, nothing more, nothing less. you have someone that you can talk that understands first hand what you are going through when you have cravings. that's all it is... support when you want it. everything is optional.

einpoklum 7y ago

Homelessness is not a "lifestyle", and it is quite rude of you to say that. Also, in the US, a great amount of social resources are expended - albeit often indirectly or inadvertantly - to _encourage_ drug addiction. Aim for the social institutions that make the US the highest developed country in terms of, say, opiate use: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_prevalence_of_opiates_use https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_prevalenc... (second highest if we consider Russia developed rather than developing)