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You're apparently buried in a use case that isn't really modernizable it seems. Windows isn't going to help you either, cloning disks in that ecosystem is a ro

by jki275 6y ago

You're apparently buried in a use case that isn't really modernizable it seems. Windows isn't going to help you either, cloning disks in that ecosystem is a royal pain as well. They often simply don't boot properly and require quite a bit of work to make that workflow possible (been there...) What I generally recommend to people who have to run software that's 20+ years old is to stuff that software into a VM and then you can use VM tools to keep images that work. OSX can be run in a vm on Mac hosts using vmware fusion and that might be a safer option for you. I think either way you go, you're going to wind up running something unsupported for whatever software package you're using that's causing your headaches. But again, this has nothing to do with the T2 chip. You've got other issues to deal with.

j-pb 6y ago
This has nothing to do with our "exotic use case" which is "being an advertisement company that uses mac and photoshop, with the occasional accountant and management machine." This is EXACTLY the use case Apple advertises its machines for. This is also new software like photoshop, and various font management tools. You also didn't address TM or Backup reliability, nor TM backup restore time which is simply limited by the realities of computer hardware. It's completely the T2's, APFS and Apples fault if simple posix operations like cloning block devices break. Also you couldn't provide a single backup solution that Apple support actually recommends. Because they full well know how broken TM and Migration assistant is. But I guess they're gonna get away with their bulls* as long as there are fans who defend them no matter what.
- jki275 6y ago
  Have a nice life as an MS customer. I think you'll find it's not quite so rosy as you believe on that side of the fence.
  - j-pb 6y ago
    Yeah Microsoft is Shit, but Apple is worse right now. At least they don't have people arguing for their products just for arguing sake. Have a nice life as an Apple fanboy.
    - ThePowerOfFuet 6y ago
      FWIW, jki275 was right. https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208020 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208020 https://www.jamf.com/products/jamf-pro/deployment/ https://www.jamf.com/products/jamf-pro/deployment/
      - j-pb 6y ago
        Except that this doesn't work for 90% of software. Nor for transferring associated application data. Setting up os x; and packagable apps is really not the bottleneck. And even if it was, these methods and tools are unreliable as heck.
    - jki275 6y ago
      Not a fanboy -- of anything. Macs work for me, I'm glad to have them. If they don't for you, you should use something else. I have used, and still use, a ton of different operating systems, they're just tools. But changing operating systems because you won't do the research to understand how to properly manage your enterprise is going to be a costly lesson for your balance sheet, and will leave you no better than you were before.
      - j-pb 6y ago
        Oh of course you're not, you've only paraded apple the entire thread, without giving 0 technical arguments, only parroting "you're using it wrong", and "you haven't done your research".
        jki275 6y ago
        I asked you a question, because you made an assertion that makes no sense. Your answer betrayed a total lack of technical understanding in the field. I made suggestions for how you could fix your issue, you don’t want to fix the issue - you want to be mad at Apple because the world doesn’t work the way you believe it ought to. Have a nice life.
        6y ago

by jki275 6y ago

j-pb 6y ago

This has nothing to do with our "exotic use case" which is "being an advertisement company that uses mac and photoshop, with the occasional accountant and management machine." This is EXACTLY the use case Apple advertises its machines for. This is also new software like photoshop, and various font management tools. You also didn't address TM or Backup reliability, nor TM backup restore time which is simply limited by the realities of computer hardware. It's completely the T2's, APFS and Apples fault if simple posix operations like cloning block devices break. Also you couldn't provide a single backup solution that Apple support actually recommends. Because they full well know how broken TM and Migration assistant is. But I guess they're gonna get away with their bulls* as long as there are fans who defend them no matter what.

jki275 6y ago
Have a nice life as an MS customer. I think you'll find it's not quite so rosy as you believe on that side of the fence.
- j-pb 6y ago
  Yeah Microsoft is Shit, but Apple is worse right now. At least they don't have people arguing for their products just for arguing sake. Have a nice life as an Apple fanboy.
  - ThePowerOfFuet 6y ago
    FWIW, jki275 was right. https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208020 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208020 https://www.jamf.com/products/jamf-pro/deployment/ https://www.jamf.com/products/jamf-pro/deployment/
    - j-pb 6y ago
      Except that this doesn't work for 90% of software. Nor for transferring associated application data. Setting up os x; and packagable apps is really not the bottleneck. And even if it was, these methods and tools are unreliable as heck.
  - jki275 6y ago
    Not a fanboy -- of anything. Macs work for me, I'm glad to have them. If they don't for you, you should use something else. I have used, and still use, a ton of different operating systems, they're just tools. But changing operating systems because you won't do the research to understand how to properly manage your enterprise is going to be a costly lesson for your balance sheet, and will leave you no better than you were before.
    - j-pb 6y ago
      Oh of course you're not, you've only paraded apple the entire thread, without giving 0 technical arguments, only parroting "you're using it wrong", and "you haven't done your research".
      - jki275 6y ago
        I asked you a question, because you made an assertion that makes no sense. Your answer betrayed a total lack of technical understanding in the field. I made suggestions for how you could fix your issue, you don’t want to fix the issue - you want to be mad at Apple because the world doesn’t work the way you believe it ought to. Have a nice life.
        6y ago