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HN hates Gruber with a passion but votes his review all the way to the top. Beats me. Here are other reviews but they all sound pretty much like Gruber’s: htt

by ugh 16y ago

HN hates Gruber with a passion but votes his review all the way to the top. Beats me. Here are other reviews but they all sound pretty much like Gruber’s: http://www.macworld.com/article/158439/2011/03/ipad2.html http://www.macworld.com/article/158439/2011/03/ipad2.html http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/09/ipad-2-review/ http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/09/ipad-2-review/ http://techcrunch.com/2011/03/09/ipad-2-review/ http://techcrunch.com/2011/03/09/ipad-2-review/

po 16y ago
Hacker News doesn't hate John Gruber. Gruber polarizes Hacker News, just like Apple does.
- podperson 16y ago
  I think right now Apple (and Google) can polarize individuals. I can love each one minute and hate each the next -- they're both capable of delighting and infuriating in equal measure, even within a single product. (Love Chrome, hate the anti-h264 move. Love iOS, hate the App Store approval process and the kludgy mess of certificates.) And both are getting scary powerful.
  - redthrowaway 16y ago
    What's wrong with anti-h.264? Firefox was never going to support it, nor was Opera, so as a web developer you would have had to implement something else anyway, likely flash. Now you implement WebM instead of h.264, and you still have to implement flash because 20% of the people out there are still using ie6 and 7/8 aren't a whole lot better on this front. Basically, you're replacing a closed codec with an open one. MS and Apple will put WebM in IE and Safari if there's sufficient adoption, as it doesn't cost them anything to do so. You may not care about open codecs that aren't laden with patents, but I can't see how this makes things worse. All of the kvetching about this move extending Flash's lifetime is pointless given the fact it wasn't going anywhere anyway.
- mbreese 16y ago
  More importantly: polarization tends to fuel good discussion. The Gruber pieces that tend to get picked up here involve big Apple stories: new hardware, OS X, and developer policies. And on those, everyone has an opinion.
  - ugh 16y ago
    Gruber pieces once had great discussions. Now they are just awful. Writing “Gruber is a shill” is not the start of a productive discussion.
- ugh 16y ago
  He polarizes HN in a bad way, leading to discussions of the worst kind.
jakewalker 16y ago
One reason I suspect Daring Fireball posts get upvoted so much on Hacker News: You can comment on them here; not so on his site.
- jgruber 16y ago
  That's an astute point. Never thought of that, but it's probably true.
  - brianwillis 16y ago
    Assuming you actually are John Gruber, welcome to the discussion. I was wondering if you would ever sign up for an account and respond to comments here.
    - ghiculescu 16y ago
      > created: 335 days ago Hardly a new account, though it is his first comment. I don't think it's him, though; I imagine the real Gruber would have tried to take http://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=gruber http://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=gruber (which is still available), so as to match his Twitter username.

by ugh 16y ago

po 16y ago

Hacker News doesn't hate John Gruber. Gruber polarizes Hacker News, just like Apple does.

podperson 16y ago
I think right now Apple (and Google) can polarize individuals. I can love each one minute and hate each the next -- they're both capable of delighting and infuriating in equal measure, even within a single product. (Love Chrome, hate the anti-h264 move. Love iOS, hate the App Store approval process and the kludgy mess of certificates.) And both are getting scary powerful.
- redthrowaway 16y ago
  What's wrong with anti-h.264? Firefox was never going to support it, nor was Opera, so as a web developer you would have had to implement something else anyway, likely flash. Now you implement WebM instead of h.264, and you still have to implement flash because 20% of the people out there are still using ie6 and 7/8 aren't a whole lot better on this front. Basically, you're replacing a closed codec with an open one. MS and Apple will put WebM in IE and Safari if there's sufficient adoption, as it doesn't cost them anything to do so. You may not care about open codecs that aren't laden with patents, but I can't see how this makes things worse. All of the kvetching about this move extending Flash's lifetime is pointless given the fact it wasn't going anywhere anyway.
mbreese 16y ago
More importantly: polarization tends to fuel good discussion. The Gruber pieces that tend to get picked up here involve big Apple stories: new hardware, OS X, and developer policies. And on those, everyone has an opinion.
- ugh 16y ago
  Gruber pieces once had great discussions. Now they are just awful. Writing “Gruber is a shill” is not the start of a productive discussion.
ugh 16y ago
He polarizes HN in a bad way, leading to discussions of the worst kind.

jakewalker 16y ago

One reason I suspect Daring Fireball posts get upvoted so much on Hacker News: You can comment on them here; not so on his site.

jgruber 16y ago
That's an astute point. Never thought of that, but it's probably true.
- brianwillis 16y ago
  Assuming you actually are John Gruber, welcome to the discussion. I was wondering if you would ever sign up for an account and respond to comments here.
  - ghiculescu 16y ago
    > created: 335 days ago Hardly a new account, though it is his first comment. I don't think it's him, though; I imagine the real Gruber would have tried to take http://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=gruber http://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=gruber (which is still available), so as to match his Twitter username.