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Because Juul gets teens addicted to nicotine, and this outweights the public health benefits or providing an alternative to cigarettes for adult cigarette addic

Because Juul gets teens addicted to nicotine, and this outweights the public health benefits or providing an alternative to cigarettes for adult cigarette addicts.

stronglikedan 6y ago
> this outweights the public health benefits or providing an alternative to cigarettes for adult cigarette addicts No way. It's not the e-cigs - those are vastly more helpful than harmful overall. It's Juul specifically - they're the bad player in the game. Not the only one, but the biggest of the handful - most e-cig companies just want to sell within the rules. No need to cut off the nose to spite the face. That would be detrimental.
dantheman 6y ago
Yeah - that's not true.
JamesBarney 6y ago
The UK government agencies opinion is that e-cigarettes are about 1/20th the risk of smoking. So if 1% of teens switch from smoking to vaping and 19% of teens start vaping it's a wash from a public health standpoint. And the numbers are far better than this which means it's a public health benefit.
paulie_a 6y ago
I disagree. 1300 deaths from actually smoking per day sounds way worse than 2000 people getting hospitaled and 33 deaths per YEAR And banning vaping has increased good old fashioned cigs in teens. Teens are going to smoke or vape. Pick your poison.
salemh 6y ago
I would disagree to a point on ecigs on health benefits - they seem to be very useful on decreasing overall tobacco use. However, Juul has specifically targeted teens with targeted ads, influencers and 'education' on underage teens - purposefully [see FDA link]. In addition, Juul heavily promoted 'salted' nicotine, where many ecig enthusiasts or those who quit only use 3 mg to 6mg nicotine levels in their ejuice, Juuls salted nicotine push can get up to 60mg. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-vaping-juul-idUSKBN1ZK2SV https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-vaping-juul-idUSKB... >Between 2018 and 2019, use of JUUL vaping devices doubled among U.S. young people aged 18 to 20 and more than tripled among those aged 21 to 24, a new study finds. https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-warns-juul-labs-marketing-unauthorized-modified-risk-tobacco-products-including-outreach-youth https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-warn... >he agency also sent a letter to the company expressing concern, and requesting more information, about several issues raised in a recent Congressional hearing regarding JUUL’s outreach and marketing practices, including those targeted at students, tribes, health insurers and employers.
exolymph 6y ago
https://www.gwern.net/Nicotine https://www.gwern.net/Nicotine

Because Juul gets teens addicted to nicotine, and this outweights the public health benefits or providing an alternative to cigarettes for adult cigarette addicts.

stronglikedan 6y ago

> this outweights the public health benefits or providing an alternative to cigarettes for adult cigarette addicts No way. It's not the e-cigs - those are vastly more helpful than harmful overall. It's Juul specifically - they're the bad player in the game. Not the only one, but the biggest of the handful - most e-cig companies just want to sell within the rules. No need to cut off the nose to spite the face. That would be detrimental.

dantheman 6y ago

Yeah - that's not true.

JamesBarney 6y ago

The UK government agencies opinion is that e-cigarettes are about 1/20th the risk of smoking. So if 1% of teens switch from smoking to vaping and 19% of teens start vaping it's a wash from a public health standpoint. And the numbers are far better than this which means it's a public health benefit.

paulie_a 6y ago

I disagree. 1300 deaths from actually smoking per day sounds way worse than 2000 people getting hospitaled and 33 deaths per YEAR And banning vaping has increased good old fashioned cigs in teens. Teens are going to smoke or vape. Pick your poison.

salemh 6y ago

I would disagree to a point on ecigs on health benefits - they seem to be very useful on decreasing overall tobacco use. However, Juul has specifically targeted teens with targeted ads, influencers and 'education' on underage teens - purposefully [see FDA link]. In addition, Juul heavily promoted 'salted' nicotine, where many ecig enthusiasts or those who quit only use 3 mg to 6mg nicotine levels in their ejuice, Juuls salted nicotine push can get up to 60mg. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-vaping-juul-idUSKBN1ZK2SV https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-vaping-juul-idUSKB... >Between 2018 and 2019, use of JUUL vaping devices doubled among U.S. young people aged 18 to 20 and more than tripled among those aged 21 to 24, a new study finds. https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-warns-juul-labs-marketing-unauthorized-modified-risk-tobacco-products-including-outreach-youth https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-warn... >he agency also sent a letter to the company expressing concern, and requesting more information, about several issues raised in a recent Congressional hearing regarding JUUL’s outreach and marketing practices, including those targeted at students, tribes, health insurers and employers.

exolymph 6y ago

https://www.gwern.net/Nicotine https://www.gwern.net/Nicotine