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Had in mind Visual Studio Express (heavily crippled vs the purchased editions), the commercial Ada and Lisp IDEs whose free versions have onerous limitations, e

Had in mind Visual Studio Express (heavily crippled vs the purchased editions), the commercial Ada and Lisp IDEs whose free versions have onerous limitations, etc. There's a lot out there beyond the java IDEs. And before we hold a eulogy for the vast swaths of poor put upon hobbyist devs who can't raise $5 or access the App store, you might want to establish the existence of these people actually having these problems rather than asking us to be outraged at a scenario in your imagination.

rbanffy 16y ago
Neither Eclipse nor NetBeans can be called Java IDEs more than Emacs can be called a Lisp IDE. I develop in Python under Eclipse and I prefer Eclipse for general Java development. I prefer NetBeans for JavaME stuff and I absolutely love Emacs for Python, but there are things that Eclipse + Pydev do better (specially App Engine stuff). For what I know, the support for Roby and Rails in NetBeans is also very good. Of course, Emacs is my Lisp (Clojure) IDE of choice. As for the idiotic pricing of Xcode 4, I am bothered not by the price tag and the restrictions it imposes on some, but by the fact Apple's accountants interpret SOX in unique and singularly stupid ways.
- gtani 16y ago
  python IDE's/text editor/whatevers: komodo Edit (the full $300 version) works very nicely for perl/python/ruby (never tried tcl), if you get somebody to buy if for you (no BizSpark that i can see). I have't tried the intelliJ IDEA series (pyCharm, phpStorm, etc) but based on the scala plugin, I betcha they're quite solid as well. http://devnet.jetbrains.net/thread/287853;jsessionid=521D68CFC588254CC558818A5930BC9D http://devnet.jetbrains.net/thread/287853;jsessionid=521D68C... XCode Pricing: kinda like pinboard.in at $9.26, just enough to deter somebody from buying, for whatever reason.
  - rbanffy 16y ago
    You do realize it is hard to find a list of IDEs to compete in favorable terms with the free (as in speech) ones, don't you? There is a reason why Eclipse, NetBeans, Emacs, Eric and so many others compare favorably, if not blow their competition out of the water: it's because some of the developers who use them give back and improve them.

rbanffy 16y ago

Neither Eclipse nor NetBeans can be called Java IDEs more than Emacs can be called a Lisp IDE. I develop in Python under Eclipse and I prefer Eclipse for general Java development. I prefer NetBeans for JavaME stuff and I absolutely love Emacs for Python, but there are things that Eclipse + Pydev do better (specially App Engine stuff). For what I know, the support for Roby and Rails in NetBeans is also very good. Of course, Emacs is my Lisp (Clojure) IDE of choice. As for the idiotic pricing of Xcode 4, I am bothered not by the price tag and the restrictions it imposes on some, but by the fact Apple's accountants interpret SOX in unique and singularly stupid ways.

gtani 16y ago
python IDE's/text editor/whatevers: komodo Edit (the full $300 version) works very nicely for perl/python/ruby (never tried tcl), if you get somebody to buy if for you (no BizSpark that i can see). I have't tried the intelliJ IDEA series (pyCharm, phpStorm, etc) but based on the scala plugin, I betcha they're quite solid as well. http://devnet.jetbrains.net/thread/287853;jsessionid=521D68CFC588254CC558818A5930BC9D http://devnet.jetbrains.net/thread/287853;jsessionid=521D68C... XCode Pricing: kinda like pinboard.in at $9.26, just enough to deter somebody from buying, for whatever reason.
- rbanffy 16y ago
  You do realize it is hard to find a list of IDEs to compete in favorable terms with the free (as in speech) ones, don't you? There is a reason why Eclipse, NetBeans, Emacs, Eric and so many others compare favorably, if not blow their competition out of the water: it's because some of the developers who use them give back and improve them.