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There's no way you're gonna get these devices unlocked if they're from a company that has gone under, I guarantee there will be either no time to reset the devi

by j-pb 6y ago

There's no way you're gonna get these devices unlocked if they're from a company that has gone under, I guarantee there will be either no time to reset the devices properly, or the people who could have done this have been let go long before everything went bust completely. If there's thousands of these devices then it's a design flaw not a user fault. Theft protection is orthogonal to recycling. If apple wanted they could easily setup a system that allows users to mark macs as stolen, which locks them down, and notifies the police/owner whenever they are powered on. But which would still allow "certified recyclers" to unlock and wipe macs that haven't been marked, so that they can be gifted to people in poverty, schools, students, and other non-profit causes. I bet such a system would even increase return rate, as recycling companies have no interested in keeping a stolen macbook if they are able to unlock all the disposed ones instead. Apple can market this however they want, the T2 has one main goal, reduce reuse and increase turnover and sales. It's exactly the same as with the Sonos Bricking, except that Sonos has come to their senses and disabled it, while Apple has the diehard support of their fan base, no matter how hard they screw people over.

tonyedgecombe 6y ago
There's no way you're gonna get these devices unlocked if they're from a company that has gone under, You can always find an edge case but in general we are better off if these devices can't be stolen.
- crankylinuxuser 6y ago
  This is so negative sum thought. It's not even zero sum. "If I cant have it NOBODY CAN! <stomps foot>" As much as theft hurts, destroying a device that costs so much environmental resources just to be vindictive to a thief over is abhorrent. They could do this without the destroying hardware by linking serial numbers to people, making it trivial to look up who owns a serial number, and then enforcing receive stolen property a crime.
  - tonyedgecombe 6y ago
    It's not to be vindictive to a thief, it's to deter a thief. There is no point in steeling something that has no value. They could do this without the destroying hardware by linking serial numbers to people, making it trivial to look up who owns a serial number, and then enforcing receive stolen property a crime. Who is they? Apple? The state? The number of ways that could go wrong is endless.
    - crankylinuxuser 6y ago
      >> They could do this without the destroying hardware by linking serial numbers to people, making it trivial to look up who owns a serial number, and then enforcing receive stolen property a crime. > Who is they? Apple? The state? The number of ways that could go wrong is endless. Well, Apple, insurance and the state all have their part. The government can enforce the crime of receiving stolen property. However on the other side, is whenever higher dollar merchandise is sold, to also record the owner. We already do this with vehicles and the VIN. Manufacturers already do this for warranty and recalls. And Apple usually also knows who you are from the AppleID, which almost always has payment and addresses on file. And, everything has endless ways it can go wrong. But there's a pretty well known finite ways of it going, with weird legal edge cases. Apple, Insurance, and the state can handle at least the more common cases.

by j-pb 6y ago

tonyedgecombe 6y ago

There's no way you're gonna get these devices unlocked if they're from a company that has gone under, You can always find an edge case but in general we are better off if these devices can't be stolen.

crankylinuxuser 6y ago
This is so negative sum thought. It's not even zero sum. "If I cant have it NOBODY CAN! <stomps foot>" As much as theft hurts, destroying a device that costs so much environmental resources just to be vindictive to a thief over is abhorrent. They could do this without the destroying hardware by linking serial numbers to people, making it trivial to look up who owns a serial number, and then enforcing receive stolen property a crime.
- tonyedgecombe 6y ago
  It's not to be vindictive to a thief, it's to deter a thief. There is no point in steeling something that has no value. They could do this without the destroying hardware by linking serial numbers to people, making it trivial to look up who owns a serial number, and then enforcing receive stolen property a crime. Who is they? Apple? The state? The number of ways that could go wrong is endless.
  - crankylinuxuser 6y ago
    >> They could do this without the destroying hardware by linking serial numbers to people, making it trivial to look up who owns a serial number, and then enforcing receive stolen property a crime. > Who is they? Apple? The state? The number of ways that could go wrong is endless. Well, Apple, insurance and the state all have their part. The government can enforce the crime of receiving stolen property. However on the other side, is whenever higher dollar merchandise is sold, to also record the owner. We already do this with vehicles and the VIN. Manufacturers already do this for warranty and recalls. And Apple usually also knows who you are from the AppleID, which almost always has payment and addresses on file. And, everything has endless ways it can go wrong. But there's a pretty well known finite ways of it going, with weird legal edge cases. Apple, Insurance, and the state can handle at least the more common cases.