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I'll concede that PHP focused hosting solutions such as your traditional shared webpage hosting environment is better at hosting PHP than any other language, an

I'll concede that PHP focused hosting solutions such as your traditional shared webpage hosting environment is better at hosting PHP than any other language, and sure there are less services out there that lets you deploy code "as easy as PHP". I had to check and I'm paying about 4$ a month for a traditional PHP server host vs 5$ for a VPS which I can run whatever I want on. And if you want a barebones deployment for lets say rails, what is stopping you from just copying files over with scp and running bundle and rails s from the shell. Then only thing that makes this harder is having to kill the server and restart on deployment. I dont find that to be that much harder.

onli 6y ago
It's not really a question of money, the VPS where you can do what you want can even be cheaper. > And if you want a barebones deployment for lets say rails, what is stopping you from just copying files over with scp and running bundle and rails s from the shell. I mean, it's not like I'm not doing that for myself. Even my PHP blog is not with a traditional hoster. But there are many things that can go wrong there - for the ruby example starting with the ruby versions, additional system dependencies. And then you need something to make the app restart after a reboot (supervisor is thankfully excellent), and probably a nginx in front of the webapp, and letsencrypt, and does your VPS take care of backups? Each task not impossible, but in total vastly more complex. Some users can handle that, many don't. I just did some freelance work on a wordpress site (and I'm involved with a different PHP blog engine, serendipity), and it's so nice when the setup that those PHP projects present you with is clear and straightforward, and on top of that everything that might be complicated even a mediocre hoster had years to solve now.
innocenat 6y ago
Unless you are running continuous load, the $4 PHP shared hoster is probably more powerful than $5 VPS. I know some shared PHP host that cost $8/year and have larger memory_limit than the available RAM in $5 VPS.
- Ayesh 6y ago
  memory_limit is the upper bound you "allow" PHP to allocate. You can allocate more than the available RAM, and have your OS swap or PHP crash. Pretty much every shared host I had to work with (I've been freelancing for a few years), have been terrible, except for two platforms, both of them were expensive and aimed at particular PHP software.

onli 6y ago

It's not really a question of money, the VPS where you can do what you want can even be cheaper. > And if you want a barebones deployment for lets say rails, what is stopping you from just copying files over with scp and running bundle and rails s from the shell. I mean, it's not like I'm not doing that for myself. Even my PHP blog is not with a traditional hoster. But there are many things that can go wrong there - for the ruby example starting with the ruby versions, additional system dependencies. And then you need something to make the app restart after a reboot (supervisor is thankfully excellent), and probably a nginx in front of the webapp, and letsencrypt, and does your VPS take care of backups? Each task not impossible, but in total vastly more complex. Some users can handle that, many don't. I just did some freelance work on a wordpress site (and I'm involved with a different PHP blog engine, serendipity), and it's so nice when the setup that those PHP projects present you with is clear and straightforward, and on top of that everything that might be complicated even a mediocre hoster had years to solve now.

innocenat 6y ago

Unless you are running continuous load, the $4 PHP shared hoster is probably more powerful than $5 VPS. I know some shared PHP host that cost $8/year and have larger memory_limit than the available RAM in $5 VPS.

Ayesh 6y ago
memory_limit is the upper bound you "allow" PHP to allocate. You can allocate more than the available RAM, and have your OS swap or PHP crash. Pretty much every shared host I had to work with (I've been freelancing for a few years), have been terrible, except for two platforms, both of them were expensive and aimed at particular PHP software.