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Most webhosts provide some kind of support for containers don’t they? Perhaps I’m completely missing the point here? I’ll readily admit that Im young enough to

by pm90 7y ago

Most webhosts provide some kind of support for containers don’t they? Perhaps I’m completely missing the point here? I’ll readily admit that Im young enough to have used docker to deploy apps nearly everywhere I worked. Is php useful for ultra low cost websites? Is it low maintenance? Is that the appeal? Genuine question.

bzb3 7y ago
Dropping PHP files to a FTP site is as easy as it gets.
- echelon 7y ago
  That's an incredibly process-immature way of managing deployment. How do you know what version you have deployed unless you copy everything you deploy to some archive somewhere? How do you roll back? How do you find out if you monkey-patched something? Deploying Docker images or static binaries is vastly superior and no more difficult. It's just a new paradigm.
  - ohmaigad 7y ago
    "Vastly superior" how? I can have those features with a tool like deployer (written in PHP) and the only dependency is SSH.
  - shrew 7y ago
    I don't think I even disagree with you here, but to use arguments for version control as your arguments for docker images and static binaries seems odd. All three of the issues you raise would be solved by involving a VCS somewhere in your FTP deployment. Incidentally, claiming that either option is "no more difficult" than FTP upload or even using VCS is either disingenuous or at least a little blinkered. FTP can work as simply as copying files between "folders", I've successfully taught my non-techy parents to use FTP. Setting up docker images or static binaries requires significantly more understanding of what's going on but of course provide speed, consistency and scalability benefits.
fetbaffe 7y ago
Many small businesses just want to get online, how does a container help them? Actually it doesn't. Containers definitely has its place, but there hundred of thousands problems out there that needs to be solved for a low cost, otherwise it will never be solved, and a container will just increase that cost with little or no gain for the customer.
- echelon 7y ago
  > Many small businesses just want to get online, how does a container help them? Actually it doesn't. Many small businesses just want to get online, how does PHP help them? Actually it doesn't. Small businesses use Wix, Shopify, Medium. Anything that prevents them from having to worry about code.

by pm90 7y ago

bzb3 7y ago

Dropping PHP files to a FTP site is as easy as it gets.

echelon 7y ago
That's an incredibly process-immature way of managing deployment. How do you know what version you have deployed unless you copy everything you deploy to some archive somewhere? How do you roll back? How do you find out if you monkey-patched something? Deploying Docker images or static binaries is vastly superior and no more difficult. It's just a new paradigm.
- ohmaigad 7y ago
  "Vastly superior" how? I can have those features with a tool like deployer (written in PHP) and the only dependency is SSH.
- shrew 7y ago
  I don't think I even disagree with you here, but to use arguments for version control as your arguments for docker images and static binaries seems odd. All three of the issues you raise would be solved by involving a VCS somewhere in your FTP deployment. Incidentally, claiming that either option is "no more difficult" than FTP upload or even using VCS is either disingenuous or at least a little blinkered. FTP can work as simply as copying files between "folders", I've successfully taught my non-techy parents to use FTP. Setting up docker images or static binaries requires significantly more understanding of what's going on but of course provide speed, consistency and scalability benefits.

fetbaffe 7y ago

Many small businesses just want to get online, how does a container help them? Actually it doesn't. Containers definitely has its place, but there hundred of thousands problems out there that needs to be solved for a low cost, otherwise it will never be solved, and a container will just increase that cost with little or no gain for the customer.

echelon 7y ago
> Many small businesses just want to get online, how does a container help them? Actually it doesn't. Many small businesses just want to get online, how does PHP help them? Actually it doesn't. Small businesses use Wix, Shopify, Medium. Anything that prevents them from having to worry about code.