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They were the first to use nicotine salts instead of freebase nicotine (the standard nic used in e-cigarettes). Nicotine salts are less harsh on the throat, all
by function_seven 6y ago
They were the first to use nicotine salts instead of freebase nicotine (the standard nic used in e-cigarettes). Nicotine salts are less harsh on the throat, allowing them to basically double the concentration in the juice. This allowed them to mimic the sensation of a cigarette a lot more than other e-cigs.
Double-edged sword. On one hand, it makes it the first e-cig that was a no-brainer for most smokers to switch to, but it also (IMO) makes is as addictive as cigarettes. In my anecdotal opinion, the e-cigs prior to the Juul—due to their lower nicotine delivery, and longer lag time between inhale and absorption—are probably not as habit-forming.
- rhinoceraptor 6y agoThat's the thing with replacement products, if it's good enough for existing addicts to switch to, it's good enough for kids to get addicted to, in and of itself. OTOH, nicotine doesn't seem to be all that harmful once it's divorced from tobacco, and it does appear to have some benefits.
- gumby 6y agoI like to semi-joke that WWII was taught by nicotine addicts who drank absurd amounts of coffee, suggesting that those stimulants enabled prodigious feats. Realistically though nicotine is pretty bad for your vasculature and the carbon monoxide is pretty bad too. Smokers get strokes due to stiffening of the small vessels. Yuck.
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- toomanybeersies 6y agoYou forgot amphetamines as well, which were used in a widespread fashion by both the Allies and Axis [1] [1] https://defenceindepth.co/2017/08/11/amphetamines-and-the-second-world-war-stimulating-interest-in-drugs-and-warfare/ https://defenceindepth.co/2017/08/11/amphetamines-and-the-se...
- bostik 6y agoJuul also went all-in with addiction potential, by loading their liquid with high amounts of nicotine. And are probably not alone in that practice either. Freakonomics did an episode[0] about e-cigarettes last year. A cartridge in US contains 3 times the nicotine of a cartridge in UK. 0: https://freakonomics.com/podcast/vaping-nicotine/ https://freakonomics.com/podcast/vaping-nicotine/ (search "have up to" for the relevant segment)
- bluntfang 6y ago>not as habit-forming What's the difference between addiction and habit in this context?
- ainiriand 6y agoI think he meant addiction. Habit is what I have about eating an orange after lunch, or a cup of tea while I work.
- function_seven 6y agoNo difference. It was most likely my subconscious mind taking the edge off of what I’m currently “habit-formed” to ;)
- adwi 6y agoAddiction is defined by consequence.
- leetcrew 6y agoI don't really find much difference in the "buzz" from nic salts vs freebase, but maybe I'm just acclimated. I used to use those huge 18650 mods, but switched to a small nic salts device about a year ago. in my experience, the higher nic concentration is cancelled out by the vastly lower vapor production.
- JamesBarney 6y agoWhen I quit cigarettes I had more cravings for cigarettes than I did with Juul. But cigarettes were easier to quit because they made me feel like shit. Juul was hard to quit because it made me feel great. For the 9 months I was Juuling I got along much better with my wife. I was never irritable. No matter how much I worked, how long the day, or how frustrating the client when I came home from work I was in a good mood and could enjoy her company. When our office was juuling we never got into silly technical tiffs, we just got along really well all the time. Even online video games were more enjoyable. When people were real dickheads (which happens far too often) it just always rolled off. I'd probably still be doing it if it didn't destroy my sleep schedule or mess with my circulation.