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I am happy to put myself in harm's way if it let's others get back to work and feeding their families. We all take this risk everyday just getting out of bed s

I am happy to put myself in harm's way if it let's others get back to work and feeding their families. We all take this risk everyday just getting out of bed so if there's even a chance of herd immunity - why let Covid-19 beat us?

WalterGR 6y ago
Have you looked into volunteering for NHS? https://www.england.nhs.uk/participation/get-involved/volunteering/ https://www.england.nhs.uk/participation/get-involved/volunt... Also, I’m sure there are lots of clinical trials for vaccines. That could be another option for you. What sounds appealing? You could get a list of essential jobs and see what you’re qualified for. As a random example, I think bin men are staying home because they’re afraid of getting sick and infecting their families? Looks like there are openings: https://www.google.com/search?q=uk+bin+worker+jobs https://www.google.com/search?q=uk+bin+worker+jobs
michaelmrose 6y ago
Did you ever stop to think that everyone else isn't stupid and we have rejected that strategy for a reason? It was concluded that letting it "wash over us" would cost 2 million lives in the US and might not result in any sort of herd immunity. Why would we kill millions "if there is even a chance" of acquiring herd immunity. Why wouldn't we find out first? How about instead we work to minimize deaths while we work on effective treatments and in the future vaccinations. Imagine that letting it run free and infecting 60% of the population over months and killing 1% and losing 2 million or 1 million if the true IFR is 0.5%. Imagine keeping the infection down to 10% until we find effective therapies that reduce death rate to 1/10 of 1% and losing only 300k-400k instead of 1-2 million. Imagine we ship an effective vaccine next year and instead keep our total fatalities to 200k instead. I don't want to sacrifice 600k-1.2M additional people's lives to your desire to just get it over with.
- matz1 6y ago
  2 million is only less than 1 percent of the population. We'll barely notice it and within that number, some will be dead anyway regardless of the pandemic.
  - dboreham 6y ago
    But there will be no hospitals left after for you to use. Also I suspect behavioral science says that bad stuff happens when 1% of people are dead in a couple of months, beyond just no health providers left. e.g. involving flaming torches and pitchforks.
    - matz1 6y ago
      >But there will be no hospitals left after for you to use First of all, I may or may not need hospital. Besides we are currently underutilized the hospital, lots of nurse and doctor are furlough because not enough patient. Even in the case of not enough hospital, new hospital can be built. China build a makeshift hospital in matter of days. There are already million of people dead in the us every year, before pandemic and people barely notice it.
  - michaelmrose 6y ago
    I have bad asthma and my wife's immune system is compromised by virtue of years of Rheumatoid arthritis drugs. Both of us are at substantial risk of dying of covid if we get it and yet neither of us is too infirm to do something if our nation decides that the best thing to do is to kill us to move forward. Most of the population has some connection to people that are vulnerable to covid. We give a damn and we aren't alone.
aplummer 6y ago
> I am happy to put myself in harm's way if It’s not all about you. You are putting other people in harms way.

WalterGR 6y ago

Have you looked into volunteering for NHS? https://www.england.nhs.uk/participation/get-involved/volunteering/ https://www.england.nhs.uk/participation/get-involved/volunt... Also, I’m sure there are lots of clinical trials for vaccines. That could be another option for you. What sounds appealing? You could get a list of essential jobs and see what you’re qualified for. As a random example, I think bin men are staying home because they’re afraid of getting sick and infecting their families? Looks like there are openings: https://www.google.com/search?q=uk+bin+worker+jobs https://www.google.com/search?q=uk+bin+worker+jobs

michaelmrose 6y ago

Did you ever stop to think that everyone else isn't stupid and we have rejected that strategy for a reason? It was concluded that letting it "wash over us" would cost 2 million lives in the US and might not result in any sort of herd immunity. Why would we kill millions "if there is even a chance" of acquiring herd immunity. Why wouldn't we find out first? How about instead we work to minimize deaths while we work on effective treatments and in the future vaccinations. Imagine that letting it run free and infecting 60% of the population over months and killing 1% and losing 2 million or 1 million if the true IFR is 0.5%. Imagine keeping the infection down to 10% until we find effective therapies that reduce death rate to 1/10 of 1% and losing only 300k-400k instead of 1-2 million. Imagine we ship an effective vaccine next year and instead keep our total fatalities to 200k instead. I don't want to sacrifice 600k-1.2M additional people's lives to your desire to just get it over with.

matz1 6y ago
2 million is only less than 1 percent of the population. We'll barely notice it and within that number, some will be dead anyway regardless of the pandemic.
- dboreham 6y ago
  But there will be no hospitals left after for you to use. Also I suspect behavioral science says that bad stuff happens when 1% of people are dead in a couple of months, beyond just no health providers left. e.g. involving flaming torches and pitchforks.
  - matz1 6y ago
    >But there will be no hospitals left after for you to use First of all, I may or may not need hospital. Besides we are currently underutilized the hospital, lots of nurse and doctor are furlough because not enough patient. Even in the case of not enough hospital, new hospital can be built. China build a makeshift hospital in matter of days. There are already million of people dead in the us every year, before pandemic and people barely notice it.
- michaelmrose 6y ago
  I have bad asthma and my wife's immune system is compromised by virtue of years of Rheumatoid arthritis drugs. Both of us are at substantial risk of dying of covid if we get it and yet neither of us is too infirm to do something if our nation decides that the best thing to do is to kill us to move forward. Most of the population has some connection to people that are vulnerable to covid. We give a damn and we aren't alone.

aplummer 6y ago

> I am happy to put myself in harm's way if It’s not all about you. You are putting other people in harms way.