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So if you came into my shoestore, and you asked me for some good walking shoes, and where to find drugs - then you used those shoes to get there - have I commit

So if you came into my shoestore, and you asked me for some good walking shoes, and where to find drugs - then you used those shoes to get there - have I committed a crime? How easy do I have to make it to commit crimes before I've made it too easy? The answer is it doesn't matter. There is no scenario in which I am legally at fault if you commit a crime with tools you got from me.

arcticbull 6y ago
> There is no scenario in which I am legally at fault if you commit a crime with tools you got from me. If I serve you alcohol and then you drive drunk... "The majority of states consider bars and restaurants to be liable for injuries or fatalities caused by an intoxicated individual who's over-imbibed in their establishment." [1] [1] https://www.enjuris.com/car-accident/dram-shop-law.html https://www.enjuris.com/car-accident/dram-shop-law.html
- ddevault 6y ago
  Drinking and driving gets people killed. Pirating a movie makes a studio executive cry into tissues made out of hundred dollar bills stolen from their artists' pockets. The bartender gets a lawsuit, the pirate goes to jail for 20 years.
  - arcticbull 6y ago
    I don't disagree at all, I was just trying to find some parallels in law where someone who enables someone else to commit a crime by doing something otherwise innocuous under specific conditions is then held liable. This is the closest thing I could come up with.
kelnos 6y ago
I feel like you're being deliberately obtuse here. The law has more nuance than this. Intent matters. The key phrase is "significant non-infringing use". Shoes are obviously not built specifically to enable people to commit crimes. And most people who use shoes are not using them to commit crimes. PopcornTime was built specifically to enable copyright infringement. The vast majority of people using PopcornTime do so to gain unauthorized access to copyrighted material. This bit doesn't even have anything to do with the DMCA. (Regardless, I agree that this particular case is an abuse of the DMCA takedown process.) I despise our current copyright regime, though perhaps not with the vehemence that you have. But no matter what I wish the state of things would be, this is the law, and this is how judges have interpreted it ever since Napster showed up in their courtrooms (at least).
- ddevault 6y ago
  PopcornTime was designed to stream videos over bittorrent, peer-to-peer.
  - Wowfunhappy 6y ago
    With links to pirated content built into the software...?

arcticbull 6y ago

> There is no scenario in which I am legally at fault if you commit a crime with tools you got from me. If I serve you alcohol and then you drive drunk... "The majority of states consider bars and restaurants to be liable for injuries or fatalities caused by an intoxicated individual who's over-imbibed in their establishment." [1] [1] https://www.enjuris.com/car-accident/dram-shop-law.html https://www.enjuris.com/car-accident/dram-shop-law.html

ddevault 6y ago
Drinking and driving gets people killed. Pirating a movie makes a studio executive cry into tissues made out of hundred dollar bills stolen from their artists' pockets. The bartender gets a lawsuit, the pirate goes to jail for 20 years.
- arcticbull 6y ago
  I don't disagree at all, I was just trying to find some parallels in law where someone who enables someone else to commit a crime by doing something otherwise innocuous under specific conditions is then held liable. This is the closest thing I could come up with.

kelnos 6y ago

I feel like you're being deliberately obtuse here. The law has more nuance than this. Intent matters. The key phrase is "significant non-infringing use". Shoes are obviously not built specifically to enable people to commit crimes. And most people who use shoes are not using them to commit crimes. PopcornTime was built specifically to enable copyright infringement. The vast majority of people using PopcornTime do so to gain unauthorized access to copyrighted material. This bit doesn't even have anything to do with the DMCA. (Regardless, I agree that this particular case is an abuse of the DMCA takedown process.) I despise our current copyright regime, though perhaps not with the vehemence that you have. But no matter what I wish the state of things would be, this is the law, and this is how judges have interpreted it ever since Napster showed up in their courtrooms (at least).

ddevault 6y ago
PopcornTime was designed to stream videos over bittorrent, peer-to-peer.
- Wowfunhappy 6y ago
  With links to pirated content built into the software...?