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On the Diamond Princess Cruise, they found lung damage in 54% of asymptomatic cases. I would call that a cause for concern. https://pubs.rsna.org/doi/10.1148/r

by nyhc99 6y ago

On the Diamond Princess Cruise, they found lung damage in 54% of asymptomatic cases. I would call that a cause for concern. https://pubs.rsna.org/doi/10.1148/ryct.2020200110 https://pubs.rsna.org/doi/10.1148/ryct.2020200110

irishcoffee 6y ago
Everyone is going to catch this. A vaccine will not exist for another year. The world can’t be shut down for another year. When everyone eventually catches this, some will have permanent lung damage. That sucks. Pretending this isn’t going to happen is foolish.
- whatshisface 6y ago
  If we get the case count low enough we can open up and do contact tracing until the vaccine arrives or it's eliminated... if we open up before it's that low, everyone gets it.
steveeq1 6y ago
Meh, the lung damage was "mild" in the bulk of the cases.
- whatshisface 6y ago
  What does "mild" mean?
  - steveeq1 6y ago
    Meaning it's not a big deal in any real world way.
    - pohl 6y ago
      Not always. COVID-19 was described as “mild” at the outset. Turns out their operational definition of “mild” was something like “doesn’t require a trip to the ICU even though it may require hospitalization.” Not everything you read will use the word “mild” in its conventional sense.
glangdale 6y ago
Mean age on Diamond Princess was 62, and the paper doesn't break lung damage up by subpopulations like "younger people" so it's hard to generalize. But I'm not blase. Plenty of comments implying that we're "all going to get it", which may be pretty much true in some areas in the US and Europe. I'm still holding out hope that being in Australia we may get a handle on it (although we just saw a huge cluster in a meatpacking plant). It's interesting to think that we might be heading for a world where some countries have had 60% prevalence and others have had 0.6% prevalence - what does that do for travel, trade, migration, tourism - all that stuff?
lostapathy 6y ago
It's impossible to tell just from imaging a month or two down the road how "permanent" damage is. Yes, it's concerning. But we also don't know that it can't heal in time. Just because it looks like things we "know" on a CT doesn't mean we know how it acts long term. Before you downvote me, think about all the reports of people with VERY low oxygen saturation that "shouldn't be" alert, talking, and feeling ok. That goes against everything we "know" as well, but it's very real for this disease.

by nyhc99 6y ago

irishcoffee 6y ago

Everyone is going to catch this. A vaccine will not exist for another year. The world can’t be shut down for another year. When everyone eventually catches this, some will have permanent lung damage. That sucks. Pretending this isn’t going to happen is foolish.

whatshisface 6y ago
If we get the case count low enough we can open up and do contact tracing until the vaccine arrives or it's eliminated... if we open up before it's that low, everyone gets it.

steveeq1 6y ago

Meh, the lung damage was "mild" in the bulk of the cases.

whatshisface 6y ago
What does "mild" mean?
- steveeq1 6y ago
  Meaning it's not a big deal in any real world way.
  - pohl 6y ago
    Not always. COVID-19 was described as “mild” at the outset. Turns out their operational definition of “mild” was something like “doesn’t require a trip to the ICU even though it may require hospitalization.” Not everything you read will use the word “mild” in its conventional sense.

glangdale 6y ago

Mean age on Diamond Princess was 62, and the paper doesn't break lung damage up by subpopulations like "younger people" so it's hard to generalize. But I'm not blase. Plenty of comments implying that we're "all going to get it", which may be pretty much true in some areas in the US and Europe. I'm still holding out hope that being in Australia we may get a handle on it (although we just saw a huge cluster in a meatpacking plant). It's interesting to think that we might be heading for a world where some countries have had 60% prevalence and others have had 0.6% prevalence - what does that do for travel, trade, migration, tourism - all that stuff?

lostapathy 6y ago

It's impossible to tell just from imaging a month or two down the road how "permanent" damage is. Yes, it's concerning. But we also don't know that it can't heal in time. Just because it looks like things we "know" on a CT doesn't mean we know how it acts long term. Before you downvote me, think about all the reports of people with VERY low oxygen saturation that "shouldn't be" alert, talking, and feeling ok. That goes against everything we "know" as well, but it's very real for this disease.