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Wondering if you can pinpoint those two locations on a map and reconsider using the phrase "across the street"? If someone said to me that the World Trade Cent

Wondering if you can pinpoint those two locations on a map and reconsider using the phrase "across the street"? If someone said to me that the World Trade Center is just across the road from Madison Square Garden I'd find it hard to take them seriously.

s_y_n_t_a_x 6y ago
The two are separated by Fazhan Ave. The distance is about 911 feet. https://img-prod.tgcom24.mediaset.it/images/2020/02/16/114720192-5eb8307f-017c-4075-a697-348628da0204.pdf https://img-prod.tgcom24.mediaset.it/images/2020/02/16/11472...
- DiogenesKynikos 6y ago
  You're linking an image of Google Maps, from a random PDF that someone posted on a website that anyone can post to without any peer review. The Google Maps image doesn't even say anything that means "Wuhan CDC." In fact, one of the buildings in the cluster is labeled a tire shop by Google Maps. If you search on Google Maps for the Wuhan Centers for Disease Prevention and Control, you instead find a building about 1.5 km from the seafood market. If the random PDF you linked doesn't even get the location of the building right, how can I trust its other claims? But further, when I look at the web page of the WHCDC, it looks like they're mainly a community health institution, not a research institute. The people studying coronaviruses are 15 km away, in the Wuhan Institute of Virology. But if they're doing research, there should be publications, just as there are for the WIV. When you search bioRxiv for papers from them, all you turn up are papers from Jianghan University Medical School, which is even farther away from the market. The random PDF you're linking to appears to be wrong on a number of counts: both on where and what the Wuhan CDC is. In short: Random PDFs from websites that anyone can upload to are not reliable sources of information.
  - gridlockd 6y ago
    > If you search on Google Maps for the Wuhan Centers for Disease Prevention and Control, you instead find a building about 1.5 km from the seafood market. There is not just one building, this is the one mentioned: https://map.baidu.com/poi/%E6%AD%A6%E6%B1%89%E5%B8%82%E7%96%BE%E7%97%85%E9%A2%84%E9%98%B2%E6%8E%A7%E5%88%B6%E4%B8%AD%E5%BF%83/@12720508.588819638,3561711.948140599,17.39z?uid=5325f5ab08c15717fea7781e&info_merge=1&isBizPoi=false&ugc_type=3&ugc_ver=1&device_ratio=2&compat=1&querytype=detailConInfo&da_src=shareurl https://map.baidu.com/poi/%E6%AD%A6%E6%B1%89%E5%B8%82%E7%96%... Remember that Google is effectively not operating in China anymore, so their information is bound to be outdated and incomplete. > But further, when I look at the web page of the WHCDC, it looks like they're mainly a community health institution, not a research institute. The people studying coronaviruses are 15 km away, in the Wuhan Institute of Virology. Scientists at the Wuhan CDC are studying live bats and bat coronaviruses: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovnUyTRMERI&feature=youtu.be&t=86 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovnUyTRMERI&feature=youtu.be...
    - DanBC 6y ago
      Here's where the PDF map says is the WHCDC offices. This is incorrect, isn't it? Both of the offices are not "across the street", but at least 3km away. https://www.google.com/maps/place/Wuhan+Jiang'an+Center+for+Disease+Control+and+Prevention/@30.6138159,114.2622513,18.31z/data=!4m22!1m16!4m15!1m6!1m2!1s0x0:0x9cbacadc65f81283!2sWuhan+Centres+for+Disease+Prevention+%26+Control!2m2!1d114.279647!2d30.589446!1m6!1m2!1s0x342eaf3d33cf73cf:0xb2b47b7a3c24d063!2sWuhan+Jiang'an+Center+for+Disease+Control+and+Prevention,+3+Yuefei+St,+Jiang'an+District,+Wuhan,+Hubei,+China!2m2!1d114.2989324!2d30.5897544!3e3!3m4!1s0x342eaf3d33cf73cf:0xb2b47b7a3c24d063!8m2!3d30.5897544!4d114.2989324 https://www.google.com/maps/place/Wuhan+Jiang'an+Center+for+... > Scientists at the Wuhan CDC are studying live bats and bat coronaviruses: Yes, but not in the two buildings you're linking to.
      - gridlockd 6y ago
        > Here's where the PDF map says is the WHCDC offices. This is incorrect, isn't it? Both of the offices are not "across the street", but at least 3km away. It isn't incorrect. The Baidu Maps link[1] shows the WHCDC office also shown at the location in the PDF map, next to the hospital - a few hundred meters from the seafood market[2]. [1] https://map.baidu.com/poi/%E6%AD%A6%E6%B1%89%E5%B8%82%E7%96%BE%E7%97%85%E9%A2%84%E9%98%B2%E6%8E%A7%E5%88%B6%E4%B8%AD%E5%BF%83/@12720604.527622359,3561494.26043086,19z?uid=5325f5ab08c15717fea7781e&info_merge=1&isBizPoi=false&ugc_type=3&ugc_ver=1&device_ratio=2&compat=1&querytype=detailConInfo&da_src=shareurl https://map.baidu.com/poi/%E6%AD%A6%E6%B1%89%E5%B8%82%E7%96%... [2] https://map.baidu.com/search/%E6%AD%A6%E6%B1%89%E5%8D%8E%E5%8D%97%E6%B5%B7%E9%B2%9C%E6%89%B9%E5%8F%91%E5%B8%82%E5%9C%BA/@12720396.781512702,3561980.285,19z?querytype=s&da_src=shareurl&wd=%E6%AD%A6%E6%B1%89%E5%8D%8E%E5%8D%97%E6%B5%B7%E9%B2%9C%E6%89%B9%E5%8F%91%E5%B8%82%E5%9C%BA&c=218&src=0&pn=0&sug=0&l=19&b=(12720126.470485236,3561759.4997610836;12720820.223470047,3562108.544231567)&from=webmap&biz_forward=%7B%22scaler%22:2,%22styles%22:%22pl%22%7D&device_ratio=2 https://map.baidu.com/search/%E6%AD%A6%E6%B1%89%E5%8D%8E%E5%... > Yes, but not in the two buildings you're linking to. I have no source that either proves or contradicts that - do you?
    - DiogenesKynikos 6y ago
      > Remember that Google is effectively not operating in China anymore, so their information is bound to be outdated and incomplete. Yes, but the PDF that the GP comment scrounged up online used Google Maps. If you look at Baidu or Bing Maps, you see that the Wuhan CDC has many local offices. It appears to mainly be a community health organization that deals with things like vaccinations and awareness. What you're pointing to is not the central offices of the Wuhan CDC. > are studying live bats No, they're not. All the papers I've seen only discuss samples collected from bats in the countryside, and standard practice is to deactivate any virus in the samples before working with them. Where the research described in the video you show is unclear to me, but it's not taking place in some little satellite community health center across the street from the seafood market. It's really alarming how much of this Internet scavenger-hunting is being passed off as legitimate evidence, by people like "Project Evidence" (or whoever is behind it). People desperately want answers about the virus, and there are political actors taking advantage of that.

s_y_n_t_a_x 6y ago

The two are separated by Fazhan Ave. The distance is about 911 feet. https://img-prod.tgcom24.mediaset.it/images/2020/02/16/114720192-5eb8307f-017c-4075-a697-348628da0204.pdf https://img-prod.tgcom24.mediaset.it/images/2020/02/16/11472...

DiogenesKynikos 6y ago
You're linking an image of Google Maps, from a random PDF that someone posted on a website that anyone can post to without any peer review. The Google Maps image doesn't even say anything that means "Wuhan CDC." In fact, one of the buildings in the cluster is labeled a tire shop by Google Maps. If you search on Google Maps for the Wuhan Centers for Disease Prevention and Control, you instead find a building about 1.5 km from the seafood market. If the random PDF you linked doesn't even get the location of the building right, how can I trust its other claims? But further, when I look at the web page of the WHCDC, it looks like they're mainly a community health institution, not a research institute. The people studying coronaviruses are 15 km away, in the Wuhan Institute of Virology. But if they're doing research, there should be publications, just as there are for the WIV. When you search bioRxiv for papers from them, all you turn up are papers from Jianghan University Medical School, which is even farther away from the market. The random PDF you're linking to appears to be wrong on a number of counts: both on where and what the Wuhan CDC is. In short: Random PDFs from websites that anyone can upload to are not reliable sources of information.
- gridlockd 6y ago
  > If you search on Google Maps for the Wuhan Centers for Disease Prevention and Control, you instead find a building about 1.5 km from the seafood market. There is not just one building, this is the one mentioned: https://map.baidu.com/poi/%E6%AD%A6%E6%B1%89%E5%B8%82%E7%96%BE%E7%97%85%E9%A2%84%E9%98%B2%E6%8E%A7%E5%88%B6%E4%B8%AD%E5%BF%83/@12720508.588819638,3561711.948140599,17.39z?uid=5325f5ab08c15717fea7781e&info_merge=1&isBizPoi=false&ugc_type=3&ugc_ver=1&device_ratio=2&compat=1&querytype=detailConInfo&da_src=shareurl https://map.baidu.com/poi/%E6%AD%A6%E6%B1%89%E5%B8%82%E7%96%... Remember that Google is effectively not operating in China anymore, so their information is bound to be outdated and incomplete. > But further, when I look at the web page of the WHCDC, it looks like they're mainly a community health institution, not a research institute. The people studying coronaviruses are 15 km away, in the Wuhan Institute of Virology. Scientists at the Wuhan CDC are studying live bats and bat coronaviruses: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovnUyTRMERI&feature=youtu.be&t=86 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovnUyTRMERI&feature=youtu.be...
  - DanBC 6y ago
    Here's where the PDF map says is the WHCDC offices. This is incorrect, isn't it? Both of the offices are not "across the street", but at least 3km away. https://www.google.com/maps/place/Wuhan+Jiang'an+Center+for+Disease+Control+and+Prevention/@30.6138159,114.2622513,18.31z/data=!4m22!1m16!4m15!1m6!1m2!1s0x0:0x9cbacadc65f81283!2sWuhan+Centres+for+Disease+Prevention+%26+Control!2m2!1d114.279647!2d30.589446!1m6!1m2!1s0x342eaf3d33cf73cf:0xb2b47b7a3c24d063!2sWuhan+Jiang'an+Center+for+Disease+Control+and+Prevention,+3+Yuefei+St,+Jiang'an+District,+Wuhan,+Hubei,+China!2m2!1d114.2989324!2d30.5897544!3e3!3m4!1s0x342eaf3d33cf73cf:0xb2b47b7a3c24d063!8m2!3d30.5897544!4d114.2989324 https://www.google.com/maps/place/Wuhan+Jiang'an+Center+for+... > Scientists at the Wuhan CDC are studying live bats and bat coronaviruses: Yes, but not in the two buildings you're linking to.
    - gridlockd 6y ago
      > Here's where the PDF map says is the WHCDC offices. This is incorrect, isn't it? Both of the offices are not "across the street", but at least 3km away. It isn't incorrect. The Baidu Maps link[1] shows the WHCDC office also shown at the location in the PDF map, next to the hospital - a few hundred meters from the seafood market[2]. [1] https://map.baidu.com/poi/%E6%AD%A6%E6%B1%89%E5%B8%82%E7%96%BE%E7%97%85%E9%A2%84%E9%98%B2%E6%8E%A7%E5%88%B6%E4%B8%AD%E5%BF%83/@12720604.527622359,3561494.26043086,19z?uid=5325f5ab08c15717fea7781e&info_merge=1&isBizPoi=false&ugc_type=3&ugc_ver=1&device_ratio=2&compat=1&querytype=detailConInfo&da_src=shareurl https://map.baidu.com/poi/%E6%AD%A6%E6%B1%89%E5%B8%82%E7%96%... [2] https://map.baidu.com/search/%E6%AD%A6%E6%B1%89%E5%8D%8E%E5%8D%97%E6%B5%B7%E9%B2%9C%E6%89%B9%E5%8F%91%E5%B8%82%E5%9C%BA/@12720396.781512702,3561980.285,19z?querytype=s&da_src=shareurl&wd=%E6%AD%A6%E6%B1%89%E5%8D%8E%E5%8D%97%E6%B5%B7%E9%B2%9C%E6%89%B9%E5%8F%91%E5%B8%82%E5%9C%BA&c=218&src=0&pn=0&sug=0&l=19&b=(12720126.470485236,3561759.4997610836;12720820.223470047,3562108.544231567)&from=webmap&biz_forward=%7B%22scaler%22:2,%22styles%22:%22pl%22%7D&device_ratio=2 https://map.baidu.com/search/%E6%AD%A6%E6%B1%89%E5%8D%8E%E5%... > Yes, but not in the two buildings you're linking to. I have no source that either proves or contradicts that - do you?
  - DiogenesKynikos 6y ago
    > Remember that Google is effectively not operating in China anymore, so their information is bound to be outdated and incomplete. Yes, but the PDF that the GP comment scrounged up online used Google Maps. If you look at Baidu or Bing Maps, you see that the Wuhan CDC has many local offices. It appears to mainly be a community health organization that deals with things like vaccinations and awareness. What you're pointing to is not the central offices of the Wuhan CDC. > are studying live bats No, they're not. All the papers I've seen only discuss samples collected from bats in the countryside, and standard practice is to deactivate any virus in the samples before working with them. Where the research described in the video you show is unclear to me, but it's not taking place in some little satellite community health center across the street from the seafood market. It's really alarming how much of this Internet scavenger-hunting is being passed off as legitimate evidence, by people like "Project Evidence" (or whoever is behind it). People desperately want answers about the virus, and there are political actors taking advantage of that.