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> Daylight is the best disinfectant Shame about all the deplatforming then

brodouevencode 6y ago
Not sure why you're getting downvoted. Unfortunately this exists. And before I get downvoted (for obvious political reasons) I acknowledge that it happens on both sides.
ForHackernews 6y ago
Sunshine as disinfectant only works if the corrupt parties have some sense of shame; they change their behaviour when exposed. Providing a platform for vile attention-seekers doesn't make them less vile. They have no shame.
- anon-kun 6y ago
  The point of not deplatforming people and keeping them in "sunlight" is NOT that they can keep getting shamed by others. Its that a dialog can happen and people change there minds. But sadly like you shown its not about finding a solution but winning, feeling superior and dragging other people down.
- brodouevencode 6y ago
  I think there's some truth in that. But it also assumes that the consumer (of whatever crap they're spewing) isn't smart enough to understand or see this. IDK - I think most people are capable of seeing through it _provided_ they are exposed to counterpoints. That's not to say that there shouldn't be some level of monitoring. Obviously someone breaking an egregious law and posting it on YouTube should have their post taken down. Admittedly there's probably grey area in that too. What worries me about content policing and deplatforming is that now the companies that run the platform become the de facto police. And as we see in this very post and many of the associated comments that is a very, very dangerous thing. EDIT: clarity
- manigandham 6y ago
  It's not about them, it's about the viewers of the content. They don't need to be protected and can decide for themselves.
  - ForHackernews 6y ago
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-52164358 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-52164358 Obviously some people can't.
    - manigandham 6y ago
      That includes people who think they can control what others decide.
KirinDave 6y ago
Do you think this statement makes sense?
licebmi__at__ 6y ago
Yes, I agree that deplatforming is a bad tactic. That's how you get a bunch of crybullies playing the victim card and complaining about censorship even in unrelated topics.
- freshhawk 6y ago
  You are saying this in a very heavily moderated online forum. So HN would be better without this censorship/deplatforming/moderation?

Not sure why you're getting downvoted. Unfortunately this exists. And before I get downvoted (for obvious political reasons) I acknowledge that it happens on both sides.

ForHackernews 6y ago

Sunshine as disinfectant only works if the corrupt parties have some sense of shame; they change their behaviour when exposed. Providing a platform for vile attention-seekers doesn't make them less vile. They have no shame.

anon-kun 6y ago
The point of not deplatforming people and keeping them in "sunlight" is NOT that they can keep getting shamed by others. Its that a dialog can happen and people change there minds. But sadly like you shown its not about finding a solution but winning, feeling superior and dragging other people down.
brodouevencode 6y ago
I think there's some truth in that. But it also assumes that the consumer (of whatever crap they're spewing) isn't smart enough to understand or see this. IDK - I think most people are capable of seeing through it _provided_ they are exposed to counterpoints. That's not to say that there shouldn't be some level of monitoring. Obviously someone breaking an egregious law and posting it on YouTube should have their post taken down. Admittedly there's probably grey area in that too. What worries me about content policing and deplatforming is that now the companies that run the platform become the de facto police. And as we see in this very post and many of the associated comments that is a very, very dangerous thing. EDIT: clarity
manigandham 6y ago
It's not about them, it's about the viewers of the content. They don't need to be protected and can decide for themselves.
- ForHackernews 6y ago
  https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-52164358 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-52164358 Obviously some people can't.
  - manigandham 6y ago
    That includes people who think they can control what others decide.

KirinDave 6y ago

Do you think this statement makes sense?

licebmi__at__ 6y ago

Yes, I agree that deplatforming is a bad tactic. That's how you get a bunch of crybullies playing the victim card and complaining about censorship even in unrelated topics.

freshhawk 6y ago
You are saying this in a very heavily moderated online forum. So HN would be better without this censorship/deplatforming/moderation?