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It's a universal basic income. It requires a passport. Those two assertions are contradictory. Not everyone has a passport, a lot of people (especially lower-i

It's a universal basic income. It requires a passport. Those two assertions are contradictory. Not everyone has a passport, a lot of people (especially lower-income, which UBIs tend to be pitched as being the most beneficial for) don't own passports. I suppose it's more a proof of concept than an actual serious attempt at creating a cryptocurrency.

kylebenzle 6y ago
If people want the UBI they need to get a passport. Are there people that are not eligible for a passport?
- striking 6y ago
  In the US, it's not mandatory that you get one. Many people don't get one unless they plan to leave the country. This is especially true given that many driver's licenses are valid as a form of federally recognized ID here (i.e. you can fly domestically or whatever). The people "not eligible" for a passport are those too poor to afford the process or those without any other reason to get one.
- arcticbull 6y ago
  That's just not true. Only 42% of Americans have passports. A passport is not in and of itself required to live in a country, just to leave one. It's also expensive -- out of reach for many lower income folks. All you really need to get UBI is proof of citizenship, like a birth certificate.
- mannykannot 6y ago
  Many refugees have no feasible means of obtaining a passport. Many people are too poor to pay the bribes that would be necessary to get a passport they are nominally entitled to. Others may find it impossible in practice on account of being of the "wrong" ethnic minority.
- DaiPlusPlus 6y ago
  Never-mind that passports tend to be expensive (relatively speaking, for the average person), many countries don’t issue passports for a variety of reasons: the UK will refuse to issue - or confiscate - passports of football hooligans specifically - or suspected terror-tourists, I’m sure other democracies have similar policies, let alone more authoritarian regimes.
  - unethical_ban 6y ago
    Passports are confiscated if you misbehave at a sports match? My God.
    - RareSoft 6y ago
      British fans don't have a good reputation in Europe so it's likely the governments way to stop us exporting hooligans.
    - DaiPlusPlus 6y ago
      > misbehave That spin does kinda trivialize the conduct of hooligans - things like simple assault or battery won't be enough, it's more like if you're involved in a specific football hooligan gang, and conspire to do grevious bodily harm and/or arrange organized fights between gangs, and you must have a prior conviction too: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/832431/football-related-arrests-banning-orders-1819-hosb2219.pdf https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/...
- netsharc 6y ago
  E.g. Tibetans, who are not allowed to travel outside of China...

kylebenzle 6y ago

If people want the UBI they need to get a passport. Are there people that are not eligible for a passport?

striking 6y ago
In the US, it's not mandatory that you get one. Many people don't get one unless they plan to leave the country. This is especially true given that many driver's licenses are valid as a form of federally recognized ID here (i.e. you can fly domestically or whatever). The people "not eligible" for a passport are those too poor to afford the process or those without any other reason to get one.
arcticbull 6y ago
That's just not true. Only 42% of Americans have passports. A passport is not in and of itself required to live in a country, just to leave one. It's also expensive -- out of reach for many lower income folks. All you really need to get UBI is proof of citizenship, like a birth certificate.
mannykannot 6y ago
Many refugees have no feasible means of obtaining a passport. Many people are too poor to pay the bribes that would be necessary to get a passport they are nominally entitled to. Others may find it impossible in practice on account of being of the "wrong" ethnic minority.
DaiPlusPlus 6y ago
Never-mind that passports tend to be expensive (relatively speaking, for the average person), many countries don’t issue passports for a variety of reasons: the UK will refuse to issue - or confiscate - passports of football hooligans specifically - or suspected terror-tourists, I’m sure other democracies have similar policies, let alone more authoritarian regimes.
- unethical_ban 6y ago
  Passports are confiscated if you misbehave at a sports match? My God.
  - RareSoft 6y ago
    British fans don't have a good reputation in Europe so it's likely the governments way to stop us exporting hooligans.
  - DaiPlusPlus 6y ago
    > misbehave That spin does kinda trivialize the conduct of hooligans - things like simple assault or battery won't be enough, it's more like if you're involved in a specific football hooligan gang, and conspire to do grevious bodily harm and/or arrange organized fights between gangs, and you must have a prior conviction too: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/832431/football-related-arrests-banning-orders-1819-hosb2219.pdf https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/...
netsharc 6y ago
E.g. Tibetans, who are not allowed to travel outside of China...