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The majority of US spy agencies think it escaped from the lab across the street from the Wuhan wet market. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/majority-of-

The majority of US spy agencies think it escaped from the lab across the street from the Wuhan wet market. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/majority-of-us-spy-agencies-believe-coronavirus-escaped-from-wuhan-lab https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/majority-of-us-spy-a... The UK is no longer discounting this theory: https://www.sciencetimes.com/articles/25214/20200406/uk-fears-coronavirus-actually-leaked-china-lab.htm https://www.sciencetimes.com/articles/25214/20200406/uk-fear... Similar to the Russian DNC hacking, I trust our intelligence agencies over the CPC state media in this case.

pmachinery 6y ago
> The majority of US spy agencies think it escaped from the lab across the street from the Wuhan wet market. The UK is no longer discounting this theory Seems plausible. And yet when people started dropping like flies from a nerve agent just down the road from the UK's top nerve agent lab: definitely just the hand of Russia again.
- rozab 6y ago
  It's an amusing point, but most COVID victims haven't been Russian dissidents
  - pmachinery 6y ago
    I wasn't going to post more but since some other people are taking an amusing point seriously enough to try and bury: - No victims in the UK were Russian dissidents; in fact most were not even Russian. - Skripal was a Russian military intelligence officer working for MI6. - He did not live in swinging London or some random backwater, as a typical Witsec might, but in the top British military county of Wiltshire. If an American working for China's intelligence service and living right next door to the Wuhan lab was one of the first victims of Covid-19 anyone insisting it could only mean the US carried out an attack would be written off as a conspiracy loon.
ntsplnkv2 6y ago
What's more believable? The CPC state media, or the right-wing media complex that both of your articles was churned out from? From the first article: > The Daily Caller cited a senior intelligence official earlier Saturday who stated the majority view among U.S. spy agencies is that COVID-19 is natural and that it was accidentally leaked out of a Wuhan lab. The Daily Caller: "The Daily Caller is a right-wing news and opinion website based in Washington, D.C. It was founded by now Fox News host Tucker Carlson and political pundit Neil Patel in 2010." The second article references the Daily Mail. Until an official report comes out from the government, I'd be cautious with your reading of "journalism."
- s_y_n_t_a_x 6y ago
  Fox was the one to confirm this: https://twitter.com/johnrobertsFox/status/1256576858923073539?s=20 https://twitter.com/johnrobertsFox/status/125657685892307353... Yes Fox and more so The Daily Caller are right leaning, but you're attacking the source not the substance. China runs hard labor camps, they're not on the same level of trust of even the most right-wing/liberal media sources. It seems like a very confident report, citing an exact 17 agencies. I'm sure you'll see confirmation soon. Funny that anonymous sources are attacked when it's a "right-wing" journalist. Read up on John Roberts and see if you trust him based on his previous reporting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Roberts_(journalist) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Roberts_(journalist) Remember to do this for all news sources! Pay attention to their sources, follow-up when they are anonymous.
  - ntsplnkv2 6y ago
    Yes, if you read your articles instead of just the titles they referenced John Roberts as well. Basically, they all just reference each other, almost as if they are pushing a narrative or something. There is no substance. It's an anonymous guy saying something. Misinformation is dangerous regardless of who it comes from - including China and far left or far right media. Such a confident report would likely have other sources that aren't from the right wing mill machine - but if you actually look at the other sources, they all say a completely different take, I'll let you look yourself. I'm very anti-China, especially with regards to how they run their country and treat their people. I hope that all of the world's governments, when THIS IS CONTAINED, investigate the cause. It may be that it did leak from a lab. Or it didn't. I wish our government and media would focus instead on containing it first and then figure out the cause.
DarthGhandi 6y ago
Wondering if you can pinpoint those two locations on a map and reconsider using the phrase "across the street"? If someone said to me that the World Trade Center is just across the road from Madison Square Garden I'd find it hard to take them seriously.
- s_y_n_t_a_x 6y ago
  The two are separated by Fazhan Ave. The distance is about 911 feet. https://img-prod.tgcom24.mediaset.it/images/2020/02/16/114720192-5eb8307f-017c-4075-a697-348628da0204.pdf https://img-prod.tgcom24.mediaset.it/images/2020/02/16/11472...
  - DiogenesKynikos 6y ago
    You're linking an image of Google Maps, from a random PDF that someone posted on a website that anyone can post to without any peer review. The Google Maps image doesn't even say anything that means "Wuhan CDC." In fact, one of the buildings in the cluster is labeled a tire shop by Google Maps. If you search on Google Maps for the Wuhan Centers for Disease Prevention and Control, you instead find a building about 1.5 km from the seafood market. If the random PDF you linked doesn't even get the location of the building right, how can I trust its other claims? But further, when I look at the web page of the WHCDC, it looks like they're mainly a community health institution, not a research institute. The people studying coronaviruses are 15 km away, in the Wuhan Institute of Virology. But if they're doing research, there should be publications, just as there are for the WIV. When you search bioRxiv for papers from them, all you turn up are papers from Jianghan University Medical School, which is even farther away from the market. The random PDF you're linking to appears to be wrong on a number of counts: both on where and what the Wuhan CDC is. In short: Random PDFs from websites that anyone can upload to are not reliable sources of information.
    - gridlockd 6y ago
      > If you search on Google Maps for the Wuhan Centers for Disease Prevention and Control, you instead find a building about 1.5 km from the seafood market. There is not just one building, this is the one mentioned: https://map.baidu.com/poi/%E6%AD%A6%E6%B1%89%E5%B8%82%E7%96%BE%E7%97%85%E9%A2%84%E9%98%B2%E6%8E%A7%E5%88%B6%E4%B8%AD%E5%BF%83/@12720508.588819638,3561711.948140599,17.39z?uid=5325f5ab08c15717fea7781e&info_merge=1&isBizPoi=false&ugc_type=3&ugc_ver=1&device_ratio=2&compat=1&querytype=detailConInfo&da_src=shareurl https://map.baidu.com/poi/%E6%AD%A6%E6%B1%89%E5%B8%82%E7%96%... Remember that Google is effectively not operating in China anymore, so their information is bound to be outdated and incomplete. > But further, when I look at the web page of the WHCDC, it looks like they're mainly a community health institution, not a research institute. The people studying coronaviruses are 15 km away, in the Wuhan Institute of Virology. Scientists at the Wuhan CDC are studying live bats and bat coronaviruses: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovnUyTRMERI&feature=youtu.be&t=86 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovnUyTRMERI&feature=youtu.be...

pmachinery 6y ago

> The majority of US spy agencies think it escaped from the lab across the street from the Wuhan wet market. The UK is no longer discounting this theory Seems plausible. And yet when people started dropping like flies from a nerve agent just down the road from the UK's top nerve agent lab: definitely just the hand of Russia again.

rozab 6y ago
It's an amusing point, but most COVID victims haven't been Russian dissidents
- pmachinery 6y ago
  I wasn't going to post more but since some other people are taking an amusing point seriously enough to try and bury: - No victims in the UK were Russian dissidents; in fact most were not even Russian. - Skripal was a Russian military intelligence officer working for MI6. - He did not live in swinging London or some random backwater, as a typical Witsec might, but in the top British military county of Wiltshire. If an American working for China's intelligence service and living right next door to the Wuhan lab was one of the first victims of Covid-19 anyone insisting it could only mean the US carried out an attack would be written off as a conspiracy loon.

ntsplnkv2 6y ago

What's more believable? The CPC state media, or the right-wing media complex that both of your articles was churned out from? From the first article: > The Daily Caller cited a senior intelligence official earlier Saturday who stated the majority view among U.S. spy agencies is that COVID-19 is natural and that it was accidentally leaked out of a Wuhan lab. The Daily Caller: "The Daily Caller is a right-wing news and opinion website based in Washington, D.C. It was founded by now Fox News host Tucker Carlson and political pundit Neil Patel in 2010." The second article references the Daily Mail. Until an official report comes out from the government, I'd be cautious with your reading of "journalism."

s_y_n_t_a_x 6y ago
Fox was the one to confirm this: https://twitter.com/johnrobertsFox/status/1256576858923073539?s=20 https://twitter.com/johnrobertsFox/status/125657685892307353... Yes Fox and more so The Daily Caller are right leaning, but you're attacking the source not the substance. China runs hard labor camps, they're not on the same level of trust of even the most right-wing/liberal media sources. It seems like a very confident report, citing an exact 17 agencies. I'm sure you'll see confirmation soon. Funny that anonymous sources are attacked when it's a "right-wing" journalist. Read up on John Roberts and see if you trust him based on his previous reporting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Roberts_(journalist) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Roberts_(journalist) Remember to do this for all news sources! Pay attention to their sources, follow-up when they are anonymous.
- ntsplnkv2 6y ago
  Yes, if you read your articles instead of just the titles they referenced John Roberts as well. Basically, they all just reference each other, almost as if they are pushing a narrative or something. There is no substance. It's an anonymous guy saying something. Misinformation is dangerous regardless of who it comes from - including China and far left or far right media. Such a confident report would likely have other sources that aren't from the right wing mill machine - but if you actually look at the other sources, they all say a completely different take, I'll let you look yourself. I'm very anti-China, especially with regards to how they run their country and treat their people. I hope that all of the world's governments, when THIS IS CONTAINED, investigate the cause. It may be that it did leak from a lab. Or it didn't. I wish our government and media would focus instead on containing it first and then figure out the cause.

DarthGhandi 6y ago

Wondering if you can pinpoint those two locations on a map and reconsider using the phrase "across the street"? If someone said to me that the World Trade Center is just across the road from Madison Square Garden I'd find it hard to take them seriously.

s_y_n_t_a_x 6y ago
The two are separated by Fazhan Ave. The distance is about 911 feet. https://img-prod.tgcom24.mediaset.it/images/2020/02/16/114720192-5eb8307f-017c-4075-a697-348628da0204.pdf https://img-prod.tgcom24.mediaset.it/images/2020/02/16/11472...
- DiogenesKynikos 6y ago
  You're linking an image of Google Maps, from a random PDF that someone posted on a website that anyone can post to without any peer review. The Google Maps image doesn't even say anything that means "Wuhan CDC." In fact, one of the buildings in the cluster is labeled a tire shop by Google Maps. If you search on Google Maps for the Wuhan Centers for Disease Prevention and Control, you instead find a building about 1.5 km from the seafood market. If the random PDF you linked doesn't even get the location of the building right, how can I trust its other claims? But further, when I look at the web page of the WHCDC, it looks like they're mainly a community health institution, not a research institute. The people studying coronaviruses are 15 km away, in the Wuhan Institute of Virology. But if they're doing research, there should be publications, just as there are for the WIV. When you search bioRxiv for papers from them, all you turn up are papers from Jianghan University Medical School, which is even farther away from the market. The random PDF you're linking to appears to be wrong on a number of counts: both on where and what the Wuhan CDC is. In short: Random PDFs from websites that anyone can upload to are not reliable sources of information.
  - gridlockd 6y ago
    > If you search on Google Maps for the Wuhan Centers for Disease Prevention and Control, you instead find a building about 1.5 km from the seafood market. There is not just one building, this is the one mentioned: https://map.baidu.com/poi/%E6%AD%A6%E6%B1%89%E5%B8%82%E7%96%BE%E7%97%85%E9%A2%84%E9%98%B2%E6%8E%A7%E5%88%B6%E4%B8%AD%E5%BF%83/@12720508.588819638,3561711.948140599,17.39z?uid=5325f5ab08c15717fea7781e&info_merge=1&isBizPoi=false&ugc_type=3&ugc_ver=1&device_ratio=2&compat=1&querytype=detailConInfo&da_src=shareurl https://map.baidu.com/poi/%E6%AD%A6%E6%B1%89%E5%B8%82%E7%96%... Remember that Google is effectively not operating in China anymore, so their information is bound to be outdated and incomplete. > But further, when I look at the web page of the WHCDC, it looks like they're mainly a community health institution, not a research institute. The people studying coronaviruses are 15 km away, in the Wuhan Institute of Virology. Scientists at the Wuhan CDC are studying live bats and bat coronaviruses: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovnUyTRMERI&feature=youtu.be&t=86 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovnUyTRMERI&feature=youtu.be...