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I don't think I made my point clear here. What I'm saying is a racist would never say "I'm not hiring you because you're skin's [Whatever Color]". He'd just m

I don't think I made my point clear here. What I'm saying is a racist would never say "I'm not hiring you because you're skin's [Whatever Color]". He'd just make up a legitimate excuse. And since everything other than race, religion and a few others is a legitimate excuse he could say anything and get away with it. The only way to enforce an anti-discrimination law would be to definitively prove what's in that person's mind and we can't do that. So the law is unenforceable. Given that a law just forces that racist person to interview even though he knows from the start that he's never going to hire you. Which is just a waste of his time and yours.

kenjackson 16y ago
Honestly, I'm not clear what your point is. Are you saying: 1) Racists should put up signs that say, "Coloreds need not apply?" Because that will save you time from applying there (if you were Black). or 2) They should put up a sign that says, "If you haven't worn sunscreen in the past decade, you need not apply?" That way they effectively screen out Black people w/o having to seem racist. or 3) They shouldn't say anthing, and presumably waste your time applying? (This seems to clearly not be what you're saying, but I through it in there for completeness). Have I missed an alternative? In any case, regarding discrimination cases, there are plenty that are actually won by employees. While you'd like to think racists and sexists are smart enough to at least keep their mouth shut, enough of them apparently aren't so. I haven't seen a lot of race based discrimination in the tech industry (what I have is usually against Asian/Indians), but I've seen a LOT of sex discrimination. I've even written an affidavit on behalf of a woman, based on discussions I had during annual review with her manager. So yes, it is hard to prove. And if they were smart, nearly impossible. But still doesn't mean the laws should be off the books or ignored.
- TomOfTTB 16y ago
  Basically #1. If there's absolutely no chance someone is going to hire me I'd just assume not spend my time going through an interview with them. The entire idea that racist should hide what they are is flawed in my opinion. I see far more advantages in knowing who and where they are.

kenjackson 16y ago

Honestly, I'm not clear what your point is. Are you saying: 1) Racists should put up signs that say, "Coloreds need not apply?" Because that will save you time from applying there (if you were Black). or 2) They should put up a sign that says, "If you haven't worn sunscreen in the past decade, you need not apply?" That way they effectively screen out Black people w/o having to seem racist. or 3) They shouldn't say anthing, and presumably waste your time applying? (This seems to clearly not be what you're saying, but I through it in there for completeness). Have I missed an alternative? In any case, regarding discrimination cases, there are plenty that are actually won by employees. While you'd like to think racists and sexists are smart enough to at least keep their mouth shut, enough of them apparently aren't so. I haven't seen a lot of race based discrimination in the tech industry (what I have is usually against Asian/Indians), but I've seen a LOT of sex discrimination. I've even written an affidavit on behalf of a woman, based on discussions I had during annual review with her manager. So yes, it is hard to prove. And if they were smart, nearly impossible. But still doesn't mean the laws should be off the books or ignored.

TomOfTTB 16y ago
Basically #1. If there's absolutely no chance someone is going to hire me I'd just assume not spend my time going through an interview with them. The entire idea that racist should hide what they are is flawed in my opinion. I see far more advantages in knowing who and where they are.