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So, I see you're being downvoted and I fundamentally don't know if you are spouting well know misinformation or simply telling a slightly different truth. I do

So, I see you're being downvoted and I fundamentally don't know if you are spouting well know misinformation or simply telling a slightly different truth. I don't know what the %'s of certainty of either version is, I just know that someone on the internet thinks you're wrong. I guess the point I'm trying to make is that in two comments I've established that it really is hard to read things on the internet and make any judgement without spending 30 minutes doing some research.

reaperducer 6y ago
I don't know what the %'s of certainty of either version is, I just know that someone on the internet thinks you're wrong. I'm OK with people thinking I'm wrong. I based my statement on an English translation of a book from the 1800's that I personally read. I'm not just repeating a talking point I saw someone spout on the internet or the television, so I'm comfortable with my assertion. Could I be wrong? Sure. But on certain topics, I trust older sources more than newer sources.
- saagarjha 6y ago
  Why would age of the source be relevant here? (Beyond the obvious "it's a literal first person account"?)
  - syshum 6y ago
    The closer to the source the reference it would generally have a less chance of suffering from the "game of telephone" which most history suffers from...
    - saagarjha 6y ago
      It's literally 300 years after the event. Would another hundred years or so make a huge difference?
- jellicle 6y ago
  Here, you can check out this guy: http://origins.osu.edu/milestones/july-2015-bartolom-de-las-casas-and-500-years-racial-injustice http://origins.osu.edu/milestones/july-2015-bartolom-de-las-... And read his book: https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/20321 https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/20321 Since it was written in the 1500s by an eyewitness, I trust you will find it satisfactory. For those who don't feel like clicking through, de las Casas describes a great deal of roasting people alive, chopping off their hands, noses and other body parts, all for the purpose of extracting the most gold from the New World in the least amount of time.
  - AnimalMuppet 6y ago
    Written by an eyewitness to the Spanish abuse of the natives, true. But an eyewitness of abuses by Columbus, or by those who came after him? (The only mention of Columbus in the article is an address in Ohio.) Don't blame Columbus for the sins of all of Spain.
- pjc50 6y ago
  How do you know you're not repeating a talking point from the 1800s? Taking history from one source is drawing a line through one point.
dfxm12 6y ago
I fundamentally don't know if you are spouting well know misinformation or simply telling a slightly different truth. It doesn't take 30 minutes of research to realize when someone is making shifty claims without giving any sources and using said dubious claims to conclude a non-sequitur about "political correctness".

reaperducer 6y ago

I don't know what the %'s of certainty of either version is, I just know that someone on the internet thinks you're wrong. I'm OK with people thinking I'm wrong. I based my statement on an English translation of a book from the 1800's that I personally read. I'm not just repeating a talking point I saw someone spout on the internet or the television, so I'm comfortable with my assertion. Could I be wrong? Sure. But on certain topics, I trust older sources more than newer sources.

saagarjha 6y ago
Why would age of the source be relevant here? (Beyond the obvious "it's a literal first person account"?)
- syshum 6y ago
  The closer to the source the reference it would generally have a less chance of suffering from the "game of telephone" which most history suffers from...
  - saagarjha 6y ago
    It's literally 300 years after the event. Would another hundred years or so make a huge difference?
jellicle 6y ago
Here, you can check out this guy: http://origins.osu.edu/milestones/july-2015-bartolom-de-las-casas-and-500-years-racial-injustice http://origins.osu.edu/milestones/july-2015-bartolom-de-las-... And read his book: https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/20321 https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/20321 Since it was written in the 1500s by an eyewitness, I trust you will find it satisfactory. For those who don't feel like clicking through, de las Casas describes a great deal of roasting people alive, chopping off their hands, noses and other body parts, all for the purpose of extracting the most gold from the New World in the least amount of time.
- AnimalMuppet 6y ago
  Written by an eyewitness to the Spanish abuse of the natives, true. But an eyewitness of abuses by Columbus, or by those who came after him? (The only mention of Columbus in the article is an address in Ohio.) Don't blame Columbus for the sins of all of Spain.
pjc50 6y ago
How do you know you're not repeating a talking point from the 1800s? Taking history from one source is drawing a line through one point.

dfxm12 6y ago

I fundamentally don't know if you are spouting well know misinformation or simply telling a slightly different truth. It doesn't take 30 minutes of research to realize when someone is making shifty claims without giving any sources and using said dubious claims to conclude a non-sequitur about "political correctness".