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Yev from Backblaze here -> That's correct. We're a founding member of the Bandwidth Alliance and you can find more info about that on our Blog (https://www.back

by atYevP 6y ago

Yev from Backblaze here -> That's correct. We're a founding member of the Bandwidth Alliance and you can find more info about that on our Blog (https://www.backblaze.com/blog/backblaze-and-cloudflare-partner-to-provide-free-data-transfer/ https://www.backblaze.com/blog/backblaze-and-cloudflare-part...) or FAQ (https://help.backblaze.com/hc/en-us/articles/217666928-Using-Backblaze-B2-with-the-Cloudflare-CDN https://help.backblaze.com/hc/en-us/articles/217666928-Using...). May the 4th be with you ;-)

drenvuk 6y ago
Hey I've been wondering this but are the transaction costs also waived or is it just the bandwidth fees? I feel like if both are gone it'd be hard to make a profit...
- atYevP 6y ago
  For that integration it's just the download fees. The transactions do still get billed, but many people can stay within the free daily allotment.
  - TechBro8615 6y ago
    Where can I find the pricing info for this allotment?
    - atYevP 6y ago
      All of our pricing is available on the site (no need to call anyone) - B2 Cloud Storage is listed here -> https://www.backblaze.com/b2/cloud-storage-pricing.html https://www.backblaze.com/b2/cloud-storage-pricing.html. Just scroll down for the transactions!
      - dxxvi 6y ago
        Storage Download BackBlaze .5 cents/GB 1 cent/GB S3 (one zone infrequent access) 1 cent/GB 9 cents/GB I'll transfer my 250GB of videos and images from S3 to BackBlaze some day.
        atYevP 6y ago
        Heh, we make it easy! Check out this Flexify partnership -> https://www.backblaze.com/blog/supercharged-data-migration-with-flexify-io/ https://www.backblaze.com/blog/supercharged-data-migration-w...
      - rossjudson 6y ago
        What does "Charged for any portion of a GB." mean?
        KMnO4 6y ago
        It means 1.01gb, 1.1gb, and 2.0gb are all charged the same
        rossjudson 6y ago
        What about 0.1gb, 0.5gb? I guess that's my question. Is this a minimum charge per download?
        atYevP 6y ago
        Yev here -> No there's no minimum charges for downloads, it's just $0.01/GB down and $0.005/GB/Mo for storage, but everything is calculated on a byte hour level :)
        rossjudson 6y ago
        Thanks! That's where I was curious.
  - q92z8oeif 6y ago
    What's the point of the Alliance in this case? if I use against-the-alliance corp, i will just pay the storage+download from backblaze, just the same as using in-bed-with-alliance corp. Or does the alliance will ensure i only get charged for 1download per file per billing cycle, no matter if the CDN cache can't hold all the data and they download it many times? Does the alliance ensure (and more importantly, who monitors) it?
    - atYevP 6y ago
      Hey good question, it's essentially a peered connection so you're not paying for the transfer between providers, you can learn more here -> https://www.backblaze.com/blog/backblaze-and-cloudflare-partner-to-provide-free-data-transfer/ https://www.backblaze.com/blog/backblaze-and-cloudflare-part...
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anotheracct_ 6y ago
Isn't this incompatible with Net Neutrality? I think Cloudflare already was against net neutrality, but people who believe in that principle might need to avoid Backblaze as well if that is the case.
- manigandham 6y ago
  No, this has nothing to do with net neutrality. Your ISP isn't discriminating what data you consume, whether it's from cloudflare or another CDN. This is about the fact that bandwidth is usually bought by capacity between networks rather than usage and they're passing those savings on to you instead of charging expensive per-GB costs like the major clouds.
  - anotheracct_ 6y ago
    I'm referring to Cloudflare as the network provider. It seems not-net-neutral to be charged different amounts depending on the relationship between the storage provider and the network provider. If the argument is a semantic one, that net neutrality is so narrowly defined that it doesn't apply to them as a CDN rather than a conventional ISP, it still stands that the situation is not-net-neutral if we generalize that to include CDNs, which it ought to, since that's what the N stands for.
    - khc 6y ago
      cloudflare is not charging different amount for different storage providers, some storage providers are waiving the fee when the upstream is cloudflare. disclaimer: ex-cloudflare
      - anotheracct_ 6y ago
        So, Backblaze is not-net-neutral.
        atYevP 6y ago
        As far as our service is concerned everyone pays the same price for B2 Cloud Storage, $0.005/GB. We're not a network provider and in this case neither is Cloudflare. We are both service providers. The partnership between us simply allows people to move data between us freely, but you still need to pay Backblaze B2 for the storage of the data, and you need to play Cloudflare for the distribution!

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drenvuk 6y ago

Hey I've been wondering this but are the transaction costs also waived or is it just the bandwidth fees? I feel like if both are gone it'd be hard to make a profit...

atYevP 6y ago
For that integration it's just the download fees. The transactions do still get billed, but many people can stay within the free daily allotment.
- TechBro8615 6y ago
  Where can I find the pricing info for this allotment?
  - atYevP 6y ago
    All of our pricing is available on the site (no need to call anyone) - B2 Cloud Storage is listed here -> https://www.backblaze.com/b2/cloud-storage-pricing.html https://www.backblaze.com/b2/cloud-storage-pricing.html. Just scroll down for the transactions!
    - dxxvi 6y ago
      Storage Download BackBlaze .5 cents/GB 1 cent/GB S3 (one zone infrequent access) 1 cent/GB 9 cents/GB I'll transfer my 250GB of videos and images from S3 to BackBlaze some day.
      - atYevP 6y ago
        Heh, we make it easy! Check out this Flexify partnership -> https://www.backblaze.com/blog/supercharged-data-migration-with-flexify-io/ https://www.backblaze.com/blog/supercharged-data-migration-w...
    - rossjudson 6y ago
      What does "Charged for any portion of a GB." mean?
      - KMnO4 6y ago
        It means 1.01gb, 1.1gb, and 2.0gb are all charged the same
        rossjudson 6y ago
        What about 0.1gb, 0.5gb? I guess that's my question. Is this a minimum charge per download?
        atYevP 6y ago
        Yev here -> No there's no minimum charges for downloads, it's just $0.01/GB down and $0.005/GB/Mo for storage, but everything is calculated on a byte hour level :)
        rossjudson 6y ago
        Thanks! That's where I was curious.
- q92z8oeif 6y ago
  What's the point of the Alliance in this case? if I use against-the-alliance corp, i will just pay the storage+download from backblaze, just the same as using in-bed-with-alliance corp. Or does the alliance will ensure i only get charged for 1download per file per billing cycle, no matter if the CDN cache can't hold all the data and they download it many times? Does the alliance ensure (and more importantly, who monitors) it?
  - atYevP 6y ago
    Hey good question, it's essentially a peered connection so you're not paying for the transfer between providers, you can learn more here -> https://www.backblaze.com/blog/backblaze-and-cloudflare-partner-to-provide-free-data-transfer/ https://www.backblaze.com/blog/backblaze-and-cloudflare-part...
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anotheracct_ 6y ago

Isn't this incompatible with Net Neutrality? I think Cloudflare already was against net neutrality, but people who believe in that principle might need to avoid Backblaze as well if that is the case.

manigandham 6y ago
No, this has nothing to do with net neutrality. Your ISP isn't discriminating what data you consume, whether it's from cloudflare or another CDN. This is about the fact that bandwidth is usually bought by capacity between networks rather than usage and they're passing those savings on to you instead of charging expensive per-GB costs like the major clouds.
- anotheracct_ 6y ago
  I'm referring to Cloudflare as the network provider. It seems not-net-neutral to be charged different amounts depending on the relationship between the storage provider and the network provider. If the argument is a semantic one, that net neutrality is so narrowly defined that it doesn't apply to them as a CDN rather than a conventional ISP, it still stands that the situation is not-net-neutral if we generalize that to include CDNs, which it ought to, since that's what the N stands for.
  - khc 6y ago
    cloudflare is not charging different amount for different storage providers, some storage providers are waiving the fee when the upstream is cloudflare. disclaimer: ex-cloudflare
    - anotheracct_ 6y ago
      So, Backblaze is not-net-neutral.
      - atYevP 6y ago
        As far as our service is concerned everyone pays the same price for B2 Cloud Storage, $0.005/GB. We're not a network provider and in this case neither is Cloudflare. We are both service providers. The partnership between us simply allows people to move data between us freely, but you still need to pay Backblaze B2 for the storage of the data, and you need to play Cloudflare for the distribution!