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Think this is from June of last year. The Drive broke the story about the patents: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/28729/docs-show-navy-got-ufo-patent-gra

by pp19dd 6y ago

Think this is from June of last year. The Drive broke the story about the patents: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/28729/docs-show-navy-got-ufo-patent-granted-by-warning-of-similar-chinese-tech-advances https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/28729/docs-show-navy-g... The journalists pursued a two prong strategy for this story. First one was verifying the cockpit videos released years ago via FOIA requests (that was a surprise) that only recently got released by the Navy (a bigger surprise.) The second prong was their investigation of a supposed scientist working for NAWCAD, named "Dr. Salvatore Cezar Pais." Think physicists have looked at the patents and called it word spaghetti. One of the patents literally starts defining how to control gravity. The journalists are still not sure whether this is a real person doing fraud backed by ignorant leadership trying to save face desperately or a purposeful psyop operation headed by a made-up name and designed to drain foreign government research budgets.

polytely 6y ago
I think this is the most recent article they had about this subject https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/31798/the-secretive-inventor-of-the-navys-bizarre-ufo-patents-finally-talks https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/31798/the-secretive-in... It's a fascinating story, I hope someone gets to the bottom of this.
- kipchak 6y ago
  There are a few explanations I can think of, and each of them is rather strange. 1. The whole thing is a dis-info campaign to hook a near adversary into thinking we have spooky next gen technology. This all being public makes me lean this way. Similarly perhaps this is being used as a cover story for some impressive but not physics defying drones, similarly to how "UFOs" were used as an diversion away from projects like Mogul or the f-117 and B-2. 2. Pais is a conman, scamming the military into funding his fraudulent tech. 3. Pais is a breakthrough genius. The Tech is real and in years it will be revealed to the public. 4. The "Bob Lazar" option. "UFOs" as in foreign objects exist and occasionally crash, and are studied and reverse engineered when they do. It's interesting to note that Pais was recently transferred to submarine command.
  - m4r35n357 6y ago
    1. It would need to be a _very_ stupid adversary.
    - snowwrestler 6y ago
      This type of disinformation has a history; look at so-called "red mercury" during the Cold War. An adversary does not need to actually believe everything you say, in order to decide that it's worth looking into what you're trying to hide. This distracts some amount of resources from other investigations, and potentially exposes some of their assets if you've built artificial channels for them to follow. On the other hand, it's also potentially a great way to find the credible/gullible folks within your adversary, to which you could feed other misinformation later on.
  - pp19dd 6y ago
    An omission: I did not complete my Punnet square, but you cover it exhaustively. That #2 is a possibility, something far beyond my ability to flesh out. A chance discovery unable to be explained by the discoverer. It reminds me of a Harry Turtledove short story, "The Road Not Taken," about first contact where we accidentally skip over a common technological development. PDF: http://www.eyeofmidas.com/scifi/Turtledove_RoadNotTaken.pdf http://www.eyeofmidas.com/scifi/Turtledove_RoadNotTaken.pdf Also re: #4 - for what it's worth (and a great entertaining read), Harry Turtledove covers that one too in his "In the Balance" book, where alien invaders show up during WWII. Highly recommend it.
  - hprotagonist 6y ago
    >It's interesting to note that Pais was recently transferred to submarine command. That benthic treaty ain't gonna write itself, mr. howard.
  - winkeltripel 6y ago
    > Pais is a breakthrough genius. The Tech is real and in years it will be revealed to the public. Or it's already installed on Nimitz-class carriers (with huge tires tucked into hidden underwater pods). The navy is just waiting for a serious war to warrant revealing land-carriers capable of driving hundreds of miles inland.
philwelch 6y ago
I dig into this a little bit recently and as far as I can tell, Dr. Pais is a real person and has given at least one interview. I suspect this is an elaborate disinformation hoax.

by pp19dd 6y ago

polytely 6y ago

I think this is the most recent article they had about this subject https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/31798/the-secretive-inventor-of-the-navys-bizarre-ufo-patents-finally-talks https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/31798/the-secretive-in... It's a fascinating story, I hope someone gets to the bottom of this.

kipchak 6y ago
There are a few explanations I can think of, and each of them is rather strange. 1. The whole thing is a dis-info campaign to hook a near adversary into thinking we have spooky next gen technology. This all being public makes me lean this way. Similarly perhaps this is being used as a cover story for some impressive but not physics defying drones, similarly to how "UFOs" were used as an diversion away from projects like Mogul or the f-117 and B-2. 2. Pais is a conman, scamming the military into funding his fraudulent tech. 3. Pais is a breakthrough genius. The Tech is real and in years it will be revealed to the public. 4. The "Bob Lazar" option. "UFOs" as in foreign objects exist and occasionally crash, and are studied and reverse engineered when they do. It's interesting to note that Pais was recently transferred to submarine command.
- m4r35n357 6y ago
  1. It would need to be a _very_ stupid adversary.
  - snowwrestler 6y ago
    This type of disinformation has a history; look at so-called "red mercury" during the Cold War. An adversary does not need to actually believe everything you say, in order to decide that it's worth looking into what you're trying to hide. This distracts some amount of resources from other investigations, and potentially exposes some of their assets if you've built artificial channels for them to follow. On the other hand, it's also potentially a great way to find the credible/gullible folks within your adversary, to which you could feed other misinformation later on.
- pp19dd 6y ago
  An omission: I did not complete my Punnet square, but you cover it exhaustively. That #2 is a possibility, something far beyond my ability to flesh out. A chance discovery unable to be explained by the discoverer. It reminds me of a Harry Turtledove short story, "The Road Not Taken," about first contact where we accidentally skip over a common technological development. PDF: http://www.eyeofmidas.com/scifi/Turtledove_RoadNotTaken.pdf http://www.eyeofmidas.com/scifi/Turtledove_RoadNotTaken.pdf Also re: #4 - for what it's worth (and a great entertaining read), Harry Turtledove covers that one too in his "In the Balance" book, where alien invaders show up during WWII. Highly recommend it.
- hprotagonist 6y ago
  >It's interesting to note that Pais was recently transferred to submarine command. That benthic treaty ain't gonna write itself, mr. howard.
- winkeltripel 6y ago
  > Pais is a breakthrough genius. The Tech is real and in years it will be revealed to the public. Or it's already installed on Nimitz-class carriers (with huge tires tucked into hidden underwater pods). The navy is just waiting for a serious war to warrant revealing land-carriers capable of driving hundreds of miles inland.

philwelch 6y ago

I dig into this a little bit recently and as far as I can tell, Dr. Pais is a real person and has given at least one interview. I suspect this is an elaborate disinformation hoax.