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He was quite clear, he tried to use the leverage he had without quitting, but at some point you have to draw the line and say "I can't change things from the in

He was quite clear, he tried to use the leverage he had without quitting, but at some point you have to draw the line and say "I can't change things from the inside, so either I put up with it or I leave". If Amazon starts to lose top talent because they can't treat their employees with respect and dignity hopefully it will force them to change, and if it doesn't, hopefully it'll cause them to fail.

Frost1x 7y ago
>If Amazon starts to lose top talent because they can't treat their employees with respect and dignity hopefully it will force them to change, and if it doesn't, hopefully it'll cause them to fail. I personally think that's overly optimistic. Modern corporate culture structures are toxic to society across the board. Some a bit less, some a bit more. The more leverage an entity feels they have (i.e. power), the more toxic they tend to grow against their own workers, consumers, etc. This problem is absolutely not isolated to Amazon, they're just the current poster child of what's toxic and growing in corporate America. This pandemic has put a spotlight on these practices (for the better I argue) and illustrated almost in caricature the divergence between business goals and societies goals. People are far to quick to defend these organizations' behaviors and give them the benefit of the doubt.
- pbourke 7y ago
  >>If Amazon starts to lose top talent because they can't treat their employees with respect and dignity hopefully it will force them to change, and if it doesn't, hopefully it'll cause them to fail. >I personally think that's overly optimistic. You’d be surprised. There are a few dozen people at the Distinguished Engineer / Senior Principal level at Amazon. They have enormous influence on the organization. If more follow Tim’s example it will be felt across the company.

Frost1x 7y ago

>If Amazon starts to lose top talent because they can't treat their employees with respect and dignity hopefully it will force them to change, and if it doesn't, hopefully it'll cause them to fail. I personally think that's overly optimistic. Modern corporate culture structures are toxic to society across the board. Some a bit less, some a bit more. The more leverage an entity feels they have (i.e. power), the more toxic they tend to grow against their own workers, consumers, etc. This problem is absolutely not isolated to Amazon, they're just the current poster child of what's toxic and growing in corporate America. This pandemic has put a spotlight on these practices (for the better I argue) and illustrated almost in caricature the divergence between business goals and societies goals. People are far to quick to defend these organizations' behaviors and give them the benefit of the doubt.

pbourke 7y ago
>>If Amazon starts to lose top talent because they can't treat their employees with respect and dignity hopefully it will force them to change, and if it doesn't, hopefully it'll cause them to fail. >I personally think that's overly optimistic. You’d be surprised. There are a few dozen people at the Distinguished Engineer / Senior Principal level at Amazon. They have enormous influence on the organization. If more follow Tim’s example it will be felt across the company.