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Let's ignore no 120/144/240 Hz screens, no good GPU (or any dedicated GPU in most models), no CUDA, no Zen2, no workstation CPUs, no high-capacity RAM, finicky

Let's ignore no 120/144/240 Hz screens, no good GPU (or any dedicated GPU in most models), no CUDA, no Zen2, no workstation CPUs, no high-capacity RAM, finicky keyboard, bad warranty, no Linux support, bad Windows support, no proper OpenGL, no Vulkan, no Direct3D, no 32-bit software, no Ethernet, no FireWire, no USB-A, no optical drive, no HDMI, no DP, no VGA... Definitely all advantages! Let's also ignore all vendors with laptops that have better hardware, better warranty or better prices.

xxs 6y ago
how did you miss rj-45?
- hyperbovine 6y ago
  Or RJ-11!
scarface74 6y ago
Optical drives, FireWire, 32 bit software, and VGA in 2020? What next? No PS/2 ports or ADB ports.
- jfkebwjsbx 6y ago
  I use the VGA port in many conference talks I give. Modern, digital projectors are still not a guarantee and it is very awkward to go ask around for another laptop or a dongle. I have FireWire hardware still around that I have no plan on replacing until it breaks. Around half my games are 32-bit. I have a library of BluRays with my favorite shows at home. I also bought some kid shows for my daughter 6 months ago that came in a DVD set. But yeah, go laugh and make a comparison with PS/2. Everyone I listed is still in use today and many laptop vendors provide ports for them. Some will go out soon, some won't for years.
  - ashtonkem 6y ago
    Just because you continue to use VGA, PS2, and FireWire doesn’t mean that everyone needs that. You have extremely niche needs, especially in a laptop, it’s utterly unsurprising that Apple won’t add the hardware to support them.
    - jfkebwjsbx 6y ago
      First of all, I haven't said I use PS/2. Quite the opposite. Trying to group all ports in the same place as a very outdated one is being intellectually dishonest. Things like FireWire and VGA are already on the way out and are not present in new laptops, but laptops used today still have them. If I have "extremely niche needs", then why do almost all laptops sold include Ethernet/RJ-45, several USB-A ports, HDMI output, card readers, etc.? Not everyone has bought into $50 USB-C dongle land.
      - ashtonkem 6y ago
        They’re not done migrating to USB-C, that’s why. Every single year non-mac laptops slowly get thinner and trade another USB-A port for USB-C. The fact that all my work colleagues were issued a USB-C dock is going to accelerate this trend. I can’t tell you the last time I saw a coworker directly use anything other than the USB-C port on their laptops, even on Lenovos with other ports. It’s only a matter of time. Honestly, the “$50 USB-C dongle” has been great. I plug in a single cord and it provides two displays, power, USB, and Ethernet. This is everything that work laptop docks promised decades ago, except it’s an open standard! If I were to switch from a Mac to a Dell or a Lenovo, I wouldn’t need to change a thing about my current setup. Heck, I don’t even use an Apple power charger when traveling anymore, since my Anker is smaller and can barely keep my MBP topped off.
        scarface74 6y ago
        And the HN crowd should be applauding the move to USB-C it’s an industry standard and the hardware works across platforms. If anything they should be complaining about the continued use of the lightning adapter on iOS devices.
  - scarface74 6y ago
    For digital media, especially for kids, there are many better alternatives -- including ripping the DVDs, copying them to a MicroSD card and buying a cheap Fire tablet. But, Disney+, with an iPad ($329), and Apple Arcade (no ad ridden, play to win games) is a godsend for kids. Why would I ask for dongle. I know plenty of sales people who live and die by adapters like these: https://www.amazon.com/QGeeM-Adapter-Thunderbolt-Compatible-Chromebook/dp/B07YDDFDKG https://www.amazon.com/QGeeM-Adapter-Thunderbolt-Compatible-...) You seem to want the equivalent of a Homermobile for laptops.
    - ashtonkem 6y ago
      If I was going to play optical media, I’d be more interested in getting it to play on my TV than my laptop. Every time I played a DVD on the last laptop I had with a DVD drive it was always a nightmare to deal with power, HDMI, and deal with the laptops tendency to go to sleep. I’d rather just buy a dedicated optical player for the TV and be done with it.
    - jfkebwjsbx 6y ago
      My time is worth way more than dealing with ripping DVDs, to be honest. Yes, streaming platforms are convenient, but no, I don't want to be limited to whatever Disney+ or Apple Arcade wants me or my kid to watch/play. I choose what shows/games are worth, not the other way around. I will pay to watch a show in streaming, but I don't pay streaming to have something to watch. If that makes sense...
      - scarface74 6y ago
        So it’s more convenient to lug around a bunch of DVDs than a tablet with dozens of movies at your disposal?
        jfkebwjsbx 6y ago
        I don't "lug" them around, they are placed in this thing called "bookcase". Perhaps you have heard about them! I heard they are legacy now too... :)
  - mamon 6y ago
    >> I use the VGA port in many conference talks I give. Modern, digital projectors are still not a guarantee and it is very awkward to go ask around for another laptop or a dongle Ever thought about buying your own dongle? Sincle you give many conference talks it might be a great investment :)
    - jfkebwjsbx 6y ago
      I don't need to buy one: my laptop has VGA and HDMI outputs. That was the point...
      - scarface74 6y ago
        How old is your laptop?
debian3 6y ago
You forgot no floppy disk, no COM1, no parallel port, no S-Video, no PS/2, no DOS support.
- badsectoracula 6y ago
  FWIW all those you mention can be added with a USB device (even DOS, you can boot FreeDOS via a CD or even external floppy on modern PC) whereas the stuff jfkebwjsbx mentions cannot (except the optical drive).
jbverschoor 6y ago
FireWire is actually a trademark of Apple. You probably mean IEEE-1394
laurentdc 6y ago
High refresh rate screen is the only thing I'd want from that list. I'll upgrade my 2017 MBP when/if a model with >120Hz display comes out. For me it's been the greatest thing in consumer space since HDD to SSD upgrades. Having made the switch on desktop, going back to 60 Hz makes all motions (even scrolling a web page) appear incredibly choppy and distracting for a hour or two until my eyes readapt.

xxs 6y ago

how did you miss rj-45?

hyperbovine 6y ago
Or RJ-11!

scarface74 6y ago

Optical drives, FireWire, 32 bit software, and VGA in 2020? What next? No PS/2 ports or ADB ports.

jfkebwjsbx 6y ago
I use the VGA port in many conference talks I give. Modern, digital projectors are still not a guarantee and it is very awkward to go ask around for another laptop or a dongle. I have FireWire hardware still around that I have no plan on replacing until it breaks. Around half my games are 32-bit. I have a library of BluRays with my favorite shows at home. I also bought some kid shows for my daughter 6 months ago that came in a DVD set. But yeah, go laugh and make a comparison with PS/2. Everyone I listed is still in use today and many laptop vendors provide ports for them. Some will go out soon, some won't for years.
- ashtonkem 6y ago
  Just because you continue to use VGA, PS2, and FireWire doesn’t mean that everyone needs that. You have extremely niche needs, especially in a laptop, it’s utterly unsurprising that Apple won’t add the hardware to support them.
  - jfkebwjsbx 6y ago
    First of all, I haven't said I use PS/2. Quite the opposite. Trying to group all ports in the same place as a very outdated one is being intellectually dishonest. Things like FireWire and VGA are already on the way out and are not present in new laptops, but laptops used today still have them. If I have "extremely niche needs", then why do almost all laptops sold include Ethernet/RJ-45, several USB-A ports, HDMI output, card readers, etc.? Not everyone has bought into $50 USB-C dongle land.
    - ashtonkem 6y ago
      They’re not done migrating to USB-C, that’s why. Every single year non-mac laptops slowly get thinner and trade another USB-A port for USB-C. The fact that all my work colleagues were issued a USB-C dock is going to accelerate this trend. I can’t tell you the last time I saw a coworker directly use anything other than the USB-C port on their laptops, even on Lenovos with other ports. It’s only a matter of time. Honestly, the “$50 USB-C dongle” has been great. I plug in a single cord and it provides two displays, power, USB, and Ethernet. This is everything that work laptop docks promised decades ago, except it’s an open standard! If I were to switch from a Mac to a Dell or a Lenovo, I wouldn’t need to change a thing about my current setup. Heck, I don’t even use an Apple power charger when traveling anymore, since my Anker is smaller and can barely keep my MBP topped off.
      - scarface74 6y ago
        And the HN crowd should be applauding the move to USB-C it’s an industry standard and the hardware works across platforms. If anything they should be complaining about the continued use of the lightning adapter on iOS devices.
- scarface74 6y ago
  For digital media, especially for kids, there are many better alternatives -- including ripping the DVDs, copying them to a MicroSD card and buying a cheap Fire tablet. But, Disney+, with an iPad ($329), and Apple Arcade (no ad ridden, play to win games) is a godsend for kids. Why would I ask for dongle. I know plenty of sales people who live and die by adapters like these: https://www.amazon.com/QGeeM-Adapter-Thunderbolt-Compatible-Chromebook/dp/B07YDDFDKG https://www.amazon.com/QGeeM-Adapter-Thunderbolt-Compatible-...) You seem to want the equivalent of a Homermobile for laptops.
  - ashtonkem 6y ago
    If I was going to play optical media, I’d be more interested in getting it to play on my TV than my laptop. Every time I played a DVD on the last laptop I had with a DVD drive it was always a nightmare to deal with power, HDMI, and deal with the laptops tendency to go to sleep. I’d rather just buy a dedicated optical player for the TV and be done with it.
  - jfkebwjsbx 6y ago
    My time is worth way more than dealing with ripping DVDs, to be honest. Yes, streaming platforms are convenient, but no, I don't want to be limited to whatever Disney+ or Apple Arcade wants me or my kid to watch/play. I choose what shows/games are worth, not the other way around. I will pay to watch a show in streaming, but I don't pay streaming to have something to watch. If that makes sense...
    - scarface74 6y ago
      So it’s more convenient to lug around a bunch of DVDs than a tablet with dozens of movies at your disposal?
      - jfkebwjsbx 6y ago
        I don't "lug" them around, they are placed in this thing called "bookcase". Perhaps you have heard about them! I heard they are legacy now too... :)
- mamon 6y ago
  >> I use the VGA port in many conference talks I give. Modern, digital projectors are still not a guarantee and it is very awkward to go ask around for another laptop or a dongle Ever thought about buying your own dongle? Sincle you give many conference talks it might be a great investment :)
  - jfkebwjsbx 6y ago
    I don't need to buy one: my laptop has VGA and HDMI outputs. That was the point...
    - scarface74 6y ago
      How old is your laptop?

debian3 6y ago

You forgot no floppy disk, no COM1, no parallel port, no S-Video, no PS/2, no DOS support.

badsectoracula 6y ago
FWIW all those you mention can be added with a USB device (even DOS, you can boot FreeDOS via a CD or even external floppy on modern PC) whereas the stuff jfkebwjsbx mentions cannot (except the optical drive).

jbverschoor 6y ago

FireWire is actually a trademark of Apple. You probably mean IEEE-1394

laurentdc 6y ago

High refresh rate screen is the only thing I'd want from that list. I'll upgrade my 2017 MBP when/if a model with >120Hz display comes out. For me it's been the greatest thing in consumer space since HDD to SSD upgrades. Having made the switch on desktop, going back to 60 Hz makes all motions (even scrolling a web page) appear incredibly choppy and distracting for a hour or two until my eyes readapt.