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4 cores? Pro? 2020? lol EDIT: maybe 4 cores are enough for development using non-compiled languages, and if you don't use Chrome and Electron apps, and not ru

4 cores? Pro? 2020? lol EDIT: maybe 4 cores are enough for development using non-compiled languages, and if you don't use Chrome and Electron apps, and not running several VMs and docker containers. Some programming languages like Julia and Erlang/Elixir will happily use all the cores available on your laptop to speed up calculations, run builds, tests and other development tasks.

lmilcin 6y ago
4 cores is actually more than enough to do almost all development. I work on a four core PC right now (i7-4770k) running Linux and couple VMs and containers, one VM dedicated to running Windows 10 which is in turn running Citrix client. I have two 4K monitors and bunch of hardware. I work on webapps, backend software, have couple IDEs running at the same time and probably Zoom session, not to mention huge amount of Chrome tabs. It all works without hitch and if there is a hitch it is typically Chrome or Gnome misbehaving, not lack of cores.
- rvz 6y ago
  Yes. Now just avoid running those poor Electron apps which actually impact battery life on all laptops. No user shouldn't need to get a laptop with a i7 CPU with 16GB to 32GB of RAM and a high end GPU to run your over-engineered chat app. I get this all the time with my MacBook that I use for development. Run 1 or 2 of them is fine, but 10 or more at the same time and it will run the machine down to the ground.
  - Jonnax 6y ago
    Okay. So today most desktop apps are electron. The advantage is that it allows people to make windows, Mac and Linux apps with ease. They're not going to go anywhere unless there is a better alternative. Coding native is a waste of money in most cases. Especially for a chat app. Hardware manufactures sell computers. The computers they sell need to be able to perform well on the applications that exist today. There's no point saying the apps are shitty if the laptop they're trying to sell doesn't run well with it. Maybe today laptops should have 16gb of ram at a minimum. AMD's resurgence has shown Intel in some cases dropping the price of their CPUs by 50%. Maybe cheaper computers need to be more powerful.
    - whywhywhywhy 6y ago
      They're not going anywhere and it's only going to get more prevalent when Apple moves to ARM. Can't see Catalyst apps being a compelling alternative to the benefits of Electron to any team who has to answer to a budget. I don't agree with it ideologically because I moved to mac because I loved how Cocoa apps felt, but honestly Microsoft has the right idea in just embracing it because it isn't going anyway any time soon so best just to make sure they run well on your platform.
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- threatofrain 6y ago
  I find compilation painful even on my desktop, and cost of operation is still on my mind when I’m trying to do a quick demo to people. I feel like people here who are professionals make enough to justify buying away these latencies and distractions.
  - lmilcin 6y ago
    I agree with your last sentence. As with any tools, it depends on your usage. But saying that 4 cores is ridiculous misses the truth. A lot of people, myself included, use 4 core machines completely successfully. If you need more, there is absolutely nothing wrong with paying more for more powerful machine. It's just not every PC on the market has to have absolutely most powerful configuration available at the moment.
quantummkv 6y ago
Unless you are using your laptop as a server or using a boatload of electron apps, 4 high performance x86 cores are more that enough in a 13-inch laptop.
- EduardoBautista 6y ago
  After upgrading from a mid-2014 13 inch MBP (8GB Ram, Dual-core i5) to a MBP 16inch (32gb ram, i9 5.0ghz Turbo Boost), apps like Slack and VS Code really do run a lot faster and I have many more apps open than I used to before. Maybe I could have done well with just the i7 and 16gb of ram, but it's good to know that this computer should be good for web development for the next five years.
acolumb 6y ago
I think we are jaded to the point that we forget that 2 cores and 4 threads was the norm just five years ago.

lmilcin 6y ago

4 cores is actually more than enough to do almost all development. I work on a four core PC right now (i7-4770k) running Linux and couple VMs and containers, one VM dedicated to running Windows 10 which is in turn running Citrix client. I have two 4K monitors and bunch of hardware. I work on webapps, backend software, have couple IDEs running at the same time and probably Zoom session, not to mention huge amount of Chrome tabs. It all works without hitch and if there is a hitch it is typically Chrome or Gnome misbehaving, not lack of cores.

rvz 6y ago
Yes. Now just avoid running those poor Electron apps which actually impact battery life on all laptops. No user shouldn't need to get a laptop with a i7 CPU with 16GB to 32GB of RAM and a high end GPU to run your over-engineered chat app. I get this all the time with my MacBook that I use for development. Run 1 or 2 of them is fine, but 10 or more at the same time and it will run the machine down to the ground.
- Jonnax 6y ago
  Okay. So today most desktop apps are electron. The advantage is that it allows people to make windows, Mac and Linux apps with ease. They're not going to go anywhere unless there is a better alternative. Coding native is a waste of money in most cases. Especially for a chat app. Hardware manufactures sell computers. The computers they sell need to be able to perform well on the applications that exist today. There's no point saying the apps are shitty if the laptop they're trying to sell doesn't run well with it. Maybe today laptops should have 16gb of ram at a minimum. AMD's resurgence has shown Intel in some cases dropping the price of their CPUs by 50%. Maybe cheaper computers need to be more powerful.
  - whywhywhywhy 6y ago
    They're not going anywhere and it's only going to get more prevalent when Apple moves to ARM. Can't see Catalyst apps being a compelling alternative to the benefits of Electron to any team who has to answer to a budget. I don't agree with it ideologically because I moved to mac because I loved how Cocoa apps felt, but honestly Microsoft has the right idea in just embracing it because it isn't going anyway any time soon so best just to make sure they run well on your platform.
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threatofrain 6y ago
I find compilation painful even on my desktop, and cost of operation is still on my mind when I’m trying to do a quick demo to people. I feel like people here who are professionals make enough to justify buying away these latencies and distractions.
- lmilcin 6y ago
  I agree with your last sentence. As with any tools, it depends on your usage. But saying that 4 cores is ridiculous misses the truth. A lot of people, myself included, use 4 core machines completely successfully. If you need more, there is absolutely nothing wrong with paying more for more powerful machine. It's just not every PC on the market has to have absolutely most powerful configuration available at the moment.

quantummkv 6y ago

Unless you are using your laptop as a server or using a boatload of electron apps, 4 high performance x86 cores are more that enough in a 13-inch laptop.

EduardoBautista 6y ago
After upgrading from a mid-2014 13 inch MBP (8GB Ram, Dual-core i5) to a MBP 16inch (32gb ram, i9 5.0ghz Turbo Boost), apps like Slack and VS Code really do run a lot faster and I have many more apps open than I used to before. Maybe I could have done well with just the i7 and 16gb of ram, but it's good to know that this computer should be good for web development for the next five years.

acolumb 6y ago

I think we are jaded to the point that we forget that 2 cores and 4 threads was the norm just five years ago.